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RE: Sacrifice
August 28, 2015 at 11:18 pm
Chad32 Wrote:Ok. You are sayign doing something bad, like killing animals, was done to show how bad sinning is. Doing something bad to show how bad another wrong thing is makes no sense. You're just multiplying the bad things, instead of fixing the original wrong. Though it's really debatable is free willed people doing things of their own free will is actually wrong. A flaw in the system, at best.
If the people doing the sinning would stop then there would not be a need for sacrifices, right. So killing innocent people wouldn't be wrong?
Chad32 Wrote:He kills, and demands the killing, of things because he's angry. Not because death is the natural effect of what made him angry, which is disobedience. It has no constructive result, because killing animals doesn't make people more obedient, so it's just killing for killing's sake.
God kills what? Yes He's angry, His people are sinning against Him. That's why Jesus came to be the finial sacrifice, God was tired of the people going through the motions, God would have rather enjoyed His people not sinning.
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RE: Sacrifice
August 28, 2015 at 11:20 pm
(August 28, 2015 at 6:56 pm)Shuffle Wrote: (August 28, 2015 at 12:17 pm)Godschild Wrote: I hope you do, sin can't be atoned for by sin.
Yes He did, yet because they had free will He still gave them the opportunity to chose to do the right thing. He did not force them to chose one way or the other, He has the power to do that, instead he was letting them determine their future regardless of what it would cost Him in the future. It cost Him dearly. My neighborhood better get ready for a mass killing soon, because it wouldn't be a sin.
No, he gave them the brain chemistry that would lead them to do specific things. He gave Adam the just right amount of testosterone and other personality changing chemicals that would ultimately lead to the original sin. If I program a robot to do exactly what I thought it would do, and then get mad at it for doing it.
What is this incoherent babble?
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RE: Sacrifice
August 28, 2015 at 11:22 pm
(August 28, 2015 at 6:58 pm)Shuffle Wrote: (August 28, 2015 at 12:26 pm)Godschild Wrote: That so many animals had to be killed to atone for the sins of man until Jesus put an end to it, by giving Himself as the perfect sacrifice. One reason God allow this to happen was so man would never forget the cost of sin. He obviously failed because billions of people around the world have never even HEARD about Jesus, before and after him.
He has been highly successful, because billions have been saved.
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RE: Sacrifice
August 28, 2015 at 11:27 pm
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(August 28, 2015 at 11:18 pm)Godschild Wrote: Chad32 Wrote:Ok. You are sayign doing something bad, like killing animals, was done to show how bad sinning is. Doing something bad to show how bad another wrong thing is makes no sense. You're just multiplying the bad things, instead of fixing the original wrong. Though it's really debatable is free willed people doing things of their own free will is actually wrong. A flaw in the system, at best.
If the people doing the sinning would stop then there would not be a need for sacrifices, right. So killing innocent people wouldn't be wrong?
Chad32 Wrote:He kills, and demands the killing, of things because he's angry. Not because death is the natural effect of what made him angry, which is disobedience. It has no constructive result, because killing animals doesn't make people more obedient, so it's just killing for killing's sake.
God kills what? Yes He's angry, His people are sinning against Him. That's why Jesus came to be the finial sacrifice, God was tired of the people going through the motions, God would have rather enjoyed His people not sinning.
GC
We can't just stop thinking for ourselves. Yahweh basically wants an oxymoron. A free thinking being who thinks exactly like him.
God kills people and animals, and demands the killing of people and animals, and he thinks this helps solve the problem somehow. It doesn't, evidences that mass killing haven't solved anything, yet that's all he knows so that's all he does. Even killing himself didn't work, and eventually he's going to come back and kill most of the population again.
He has not been successful, because trillions haven't. Even now there's about 2.5 billion christians in the world. Half of them catholic, which means many christians don't even consider half of their number true christians.
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RE: Sacrifice
August 28, 2015 at 11:39 pm
(August 28, 2015 at 11:22 pm)Godschild Wrote: (August 28, 2015 at 6:58 pm)Shuffle Wrote: He obviously failed because billions of people around the world have never even HEARD about Jesus, before and after him.
He has been highly successful, because billions have been saved.
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And, as usual, you can't actually demonstrate the truth of your statement. Or are you in regular contact with the dead who are in Heaven? If so, did you happen to record the conversations?
Yeah, I didn't think so.
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RE: Sacrifice
August 28, 2015 at 11:43 pm
(August 28, 2015 at 11:20 pm)Godschild Wrote: (August 28, 2015 at 6:56 pm)Shuffle Wrote: My neighborhood better get ready for a mass killing soon, because it wouldn't be a sin.
No, he gave them the brain chemistry that would lead them to do specific things. He gave Adam the just right amount of testosterone and other personality changing chemicals that would ultimately lead to the original sin. If I program a robot to do exactly what I thought it would do, and then get mad at it for doing it.
What is this incoherent babble? God gave us hormones that make us act a certain way. Therefore, he gave Adam certain hormones that would lead him to sin.
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RE: Sacrifice
August 28, 2015 at 11:45 pm
(August 28, 2015 at 11:22 pm)Godschild Wrote: (August 28, 2015 at 6:58 pm)Shuffle Wrote: He obviously failed because billions of people around the world have never even HEARD about Jesus, before and after him.
He has been highly successful, because billions have been saved. A few brutally tortured for all of eternity, a few saved. That should be good enough, right?
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RE: Sacrifice
August 28, 2015 at 11:53 pm
(August 28, 2015 at 11:43 pm)Shuffle Wrote: (August 28, 2015 at 11:20 pm)Godschild Wrote: What is this incoherent babble? God gave us hormones that make us act a certain way. Therefore, he gave Adam certain hormones that would lead him to sin.
Or, put more simply (so even GC can get it), gawd created mankind ill, then punished them when they puked on the floor.
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RE: Sacrifice
August 29, 2015 at 11:28 am
(August 28, 2015 at 11:45 pm)Shuffle Wrote: (August 28, 2015 at 11:22 pm)Godschild Wrote: He has been highly successful, because billions have been saved. A few brutally tortured for all of eternity, a few saved. That should be good enough, right?
There's no torture, one can't torture one's self, and in the end it's your choice where you spend eternity.
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RE: Sacrifice
August 29, 2015 at 11:30 am
(August 28, 2015 at 11:43 pm)Shuffle Wrote: (August 28, 2015 at 11:20 pm)Godschild Wrote: What is this incoherent babble? God gave us hormones that make us act a certain way. Therefore, he gave Adam certain hormones that would lead him to sin.
Where's your proof, God will help those who seek His help to over come.
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