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Clerk Defies Supreme Court, Refuses Gay Marriage Licenses
RE: Clerk Defies Supreme Court, Refuses Gay Marriage Licenses
Sorry, Rob, but.....

Hijack

....but of course you're right.

idk why the right wing never seems to think the knife will cut both ways,
but they never did see it, did they?

It shouldn't even have had to come to this;

I've been trying to tell them for years:

The very principle that protects your right to practice your religion without persecution
is the same exact principle that applies to LGBT rights.


but they have NO INTEGRITY,
so then, of course, they shamelessly invent this imaginary threat, the "gay agenda"
and try to claim that their religious rights are actually under attack.

They are the very group that SHOULD be upholding integrity and honesty,
when they are actually slimy, lying, self-serving cockroaches of the first water.

Of course I know that no-one here needs this spelled-out to them;
we know it better than anyone.

I just hope some of them read it:

Any Christian who promotes this utter garbage of a "gay agenda"
and tries to claim that it is Religious rights that are "under attack"
simply because the LGBT wants the same rights as any other taxpaying citizens:

You are everything a Christian should not be.  You are a liar.  You serve the Father of Lies.

I can't say it about Judaism or Islam
...although I support the fundamental human rights issue of LGBT there, just as much as anywhere else...
but the laws in different countries,
and the central tenets of other religions,
I am not well-enough acquainted-with, to argue any potential hypocrisy;

but for Christians, this opposing LGBT rights might seem logical on the very superficial face of it,
as a knee-jerk reaction....sure.

but just stopping and thinking about it for a couple of minutes
should make you realize the exact opposite:

there is really NO justification for Christians,
...much less AMERICAN Christians...
to object to LGBT rights.

1.  I don't believe there is any spot in the New Testament where Jesus, Himself, unequivocally condemns homosexuality, specifically.

2.  As Christians, your job is to Love, above all else....and leave the JUDGMENTS to God.
You know, while Jesus never mentions homosexuality, he was very clear on the issue of passing Judgment.
God might find homosexuality an abominable practice;
but at least it is a temptation of the flesh; an understandable human weakness!
However, there is really no need or excuse for anyone to coolly pass judgment upon someone else,
and it is really the worse of the two sins
...you are, after all, not merely succumbing to temptation,
but calculatedly putting yourself IN GOD'S PLACE.
And it's bad enough for the average person to do so,
but Christians are supposed to KNOW BETTER...yet, they're the worst offenders.

3.  Jesus, Himself, mentioned church and state are separate "Render unto Caesar..."

4.  Jesus, Himself, let people CHOOSE whether or not to live a godly life...he didn't coerce them;
and Jesus NEVER charged his followers with the responsibility of endeavoring to pass His teachings into Civil Law
....you guys took THAT upon yourselves.

5.  You don't accomplish anything in the way of "serving God" by limiting the rights of non-Christians
...because God can see into their hearts, anyway,
and it's ONLY what is in their hearts, that matters to God, according to the Bible.

6.  ...and you Christians KNOW THAT.  Which, in turn, can only mean
that you're only doing all this to accommodate your OWN comfort-level,
...and there is something particularly unsavoury about a Christian who is
- doing something God never asked them to do
- then trying to claim they are only doing it to serve God
- when they are actually doing it to serve themselves.
If I was your God, I'd be pretty pissed at you for that.  It's disgusting. 

7.  And besides....every time you try to legislate Christian law, it sends a clear message:
...you don't really have the faith you profess to have.
Because obviously you think God needs YOUR HELP in enforcing His Word,
and you doubt His ability to touch people's hearts.


8.  You, as Christians, are failing to be good ambassadors of Christ.
Not only are you are driving people further away from Christ;
but you are making them wonder what kind of God you serve,
when His followers so brazenly play so unfairly.
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RE: Clerk Defies Supreme Court, Refuses Gay Marriage Licenses
(September 5, 2015 at 3:14 am)robvalue Wrote: It would be nice if a few more of our Christians stepped in to condemn this vile behaviour, rather than trying to support it.

Remember: if it's OK to break the law citing Christian beliefs, then you're saying it's OK to break the law for any religious reason. If you don't agree with that statement, you're a steaming hypocrite who thinks Christianity deserves special treatment over other religions.

And since they are arbitrary, you're condoning breaking the law for any reason you feel like citing. Is that a society you want to live in Christians?

Yeah, and while here, they'd be checking out Vorlon's take on the latest model.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.

I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.

Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire

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RE: Clerk Defies Supreme Court, Refuses Gay Marriage Licenses
(September 4, 2015 at 7:40 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Obviously, a Doc Johnson model 34 with realistic veining, retractable foreskin and optional vibrator attachment with Energy Star certified wall charger and lithium ion rechargeable battery pack for extend run time.

You got anything that plugs into the wall? If 4 different men couldn't please this bitch enough to improve her overall attitude, her needs are probably far beyond what any mere battery could grapple with.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)

Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com
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RE: Clerk Defies Supreme Court, Refuses Gay Marriage Licenses
(September 4, 2015 at 11:59 am)ChadWooters Wrote:
(September 4, 2015 at 10:53 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: Those clerks were taken to court. And the judge interpreted the statute that they were disobeying and found it to be unconstitutional.

Which is the exact same process that Kim Davis was afforded. She was not jailed immediately. She was jailed after she appealed multiple times, was denied a stay, was issued a direct order from a U.S. District Court to do her job, and refused to follow the instruction of the judicial order.

Had the judge in Colorado, for example, upheld the DOMA statute, issued an order for the clerks there to stop issuing same sex marriage licenses, and they continued to do so, they would be in jail as well. But that's not what happened. Sorry, Chad, your overactive selection bias has undone you again.

As I mentioned in my post the Constitution has been tortured by every regime since Wickard v Filburn to Kelo v City of New London. The words and phrases like well-regulated and general welfare have been divorced from the clear meanings they had in the 18th century when they were penned. The federal government is no longer limited to enumerated powers. They can pretty much do what they want.


So I'm not singling out any particular party or judicial overreach. If the Constitution can be interpreted to mean whatever those in power want then the US is a nation of men, not law.

Ya, because in the 18th century when those things where penned they had a much better understanding of "well regulated" and "general welfare Rolleyes .
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RE: Clerk Defies Supreme Court, Refuses Gay Marriage Licenses
Has she really gone to jail for placing some fevered scribblings from 2000 years ago over common sense, all scientific knowledge, decent humanity and her oath to do her job?

Guess so. What a stupid bitch.

Either God wants her to go to jail, or else she's going to jail for no reason. Not really a winning scenario from her point of view, huh?
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RE: Clerk Defies Supreme Court, Refuses Gay Marriage Licenses
She's jailed for contempt of court.....Good fucking going yo Big Grin
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RE: Clerk Defies Supreme Court, Refuses Gay Marriage Licenses
Where's your God now? Too busy watching me jerking off. Hah. Give it three or four more generations, this kind of stupid will be gone thanks to the internet and cool atheists like us.

Religion will only exist at the end of a sword tip for pussy gods who can't even stand seeing a picture of their fake Jesus son or whatever.
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RE: Clerk Defies Supreme Court, Refuses Gay Marriage Licenses
*sniff* Nobody's ever called me cool before.... I'm touched ; _ ;
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RE: Clerk Defies Supreme Court, Refuses Gay Marriage Licenses
Oh, you are so damn cool! If the kids don't want to be like you, they're on my chainsaw list.

Oh by the way, I have a chainsaw list. It... you can probably figure out how it works.
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RE: Clerk Defies Supreme Court, Refuses Gay Marriage Licenses
Addendum to MTL

9. Christians say homosexuals are the enemies of god. How so? Homosexuality can do nothing to, for or against god, but Christians work against what they claim to be god’s plan of salvation when they act hatefully against others. And denying people the right to live with dignity with equal rights is acting hatefully.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.

I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.

Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire

Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.
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