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What is Supernatural?
#41
RE: What is Supernatural?
I agree. I don't particularly care what words mean what in any given conversation, what I care about is agreeing what those words mean before the conversation begins. When someone refuses to properly define a word, or is incapable of doing so, it's pointless to proceed.
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#42
RE: What is Supernatural?
Rob, there's half our problem.
If theists don't even know how to describe God properly or what he is, you've basically got a failed conversation before it has even begun.

The logical thing to do is hit them over the head with a frypan...
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.
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#43
RE: What is Supernatural?




That about sums it up. "Supernatural" is a word used to describe something whose existence is insisted upon, yet whose qualities exclude him from reality by way of paradox.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)

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#44
RE: What is Supernatural?
(September 8, 2015 at 2:08 am)robvalue Wrote: I agree. I don't particularly care what words mean what in any given conversation, what I care about is agreeing what those words mean before the conversation begins. When someone refuses to properly define a word, or is incapable of doing so, it's pointless to proceed.

Agree, otherwise you'll have two people talking past each other.
It is very important not to mistake hemlock for parsley, but to believe or not believe in God is not important at all. - Denis Diderot

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#45
RE: What is Supernatural?
Rob, Supernatural is not ill defined.
If one cannot explain(at least 1% of it)a phenomena or occurrence then that is supernatural.
Me personally do not believe that science is capable of defining *everything* that would imply that there are some things that cannot be explained(not even by 1%) then i guess i believe in supernatural.  Thinking
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#46
RE: What is Supernatural?
Oh lawd no. Not again.....
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#47
RE: What is Supernatural?
(September 12, 2015 at 3:17 am)pool Wrote: Rob, Supernatural is not ill defined.
If one cannot explain(at least 1% of it)a phenomena or occurrence then that is supernatural.
Me personally do not believe that science is capable of defining *everything* that would imply that there are some things that cannot be explained(not even by 1%) then i guess i believe in supernatural.  Thinking

How exactly do you determine what % of a phenomenon/occurrence is unexplainable?

Your definition leaves us facing the possibility that everything/anything is supernatural. This is what Rob means by 'ill defined'.
Sum ergo sum
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#48
RE: What is Supernatural?
What interests me is why theists seem to prefer that their gods act by way of magic instead of a sublime understanding of underlying principles imperceptible to ourselves. Most Christians reject that God created anything by necessity, that everything was equality and arbitrarily possible. Why attribute masterful technology to your deity when you can chalk it up to divinely inspired creation-farts instead.
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#49
RE: What is Supernatural?
(September 14, 2015 at 5:40 am)Ben Davis Wrote:
(September 12, 2015 at 3:17 am)pool Wrote: Rob, Supernatural is not ill defined.
If one cannot explain(at least 1% of it)a phenomena or occurrence then that is supernatural.
Me personally do not believe that science is capable of defining *everything* that would imply that there are some things that cannot be explained(not even by 1%) then i guess i believe in supernatural.  Thinking

How exactly do you determine what % of a phenomenon/occurrence is unexplainable?

Your definition leaves us facing the possibility that everything/anything is supernatural. This is what Rob means by 'ill defined'.
That's right. Even if we have a fantastic natural explanation for something, we can't exclude there also being some additional supernatural cause.

Whatever supernatural means! Since people generally can't agree and the dictionary definition is bollocks.
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#50
RE: What is Supernatural?
Who cares about supernatural when there is the giganatural... what about the possibility of a teranatural?

And where is the kilonatural?
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