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**robvalue** · September 8, 2015 at 2:08 am

I agree. I don't particularly care what words mean what in any given conversation, what I care about is agreeing what those words mean before the conversation begins. When someone refuses to properly define a word, or is incapable of doing so, it's pointless to proceed.

ignoramus · September 8, 2015 at 3:22 am

Rob, there's half our problem.
If theists don't even know how to describe God properly or what he is, you've basically got a failed conversation before it has even begun.

The logical thing to do is hit them over the head with a frypan...

Redbeard The Pink · September 8, 2015 at 3:32 am

That about sums it up. "Supernatural" is a word used to describe something whose existence is insisted upon, yet whose qualities exclude him from reality by way of paradox.

Pizza · September 8, 2015 at 3:36 am

(September 8, 2015 at 2:08 am)robvalue Wrote: I agree. I don't particularly care what words mean what in any given conversation, what I care about is agreeing what those words mean before the conversation begins. When someone refuses to properly define a word, or is incapable of doing so, it's pointless to proceed.

Agree, otherwise you'll have two people talking past each other.

~~ErGingerbreadMandude~~

Rob, Supernatural is not ill defined.
If one cannot explain(at least 1% of it)a phenomena or occurrence then that is supernatural.
Me personally do not believe that science is capable of defining *everything* that would imply that there are some things that cannot be explained(not even by 1%) then i guess i believe in supernatural. Thinking

Longhorn · September 12, 2015 at 3:19 am

Oh lawd no. Not again.....

Ben Davis · September 14, 2015 at 5:40 am

(September 12, 2015 at 3:17 am)pool Wrote: Rob, Supernatural is not ill defined.
If one cannot explain(at least 1% of it)a phenomena or occurrence then that is supernatural.
Me personally do not believe that science is capable of defining *everything* that would imply that there are some things that cannot be explained(not even by 1%) then i guess i believe in supernatural.

How exactly do you determine what % of a phenomenon/occurrence is unexplainable?

Your definition leaves us facing the possibility that everything/anything is supernatural. This is what Rob means by 'ill defined'.

**Whateverist** · September 14, 2015 at 10:04 am

What interests me is why theists seem to prefer that their gods act by way of magic instead of a sublime understanding of underlying principles imperceptible to ourselves. Most Christians reject that God created anything by necessity, that everything was equality and arbitrarily possible. Why attribute masterful technology to your deity when you can chalk it up to divinely inspired creation-farts instead.

**robvalue** · (This post was last modified: September 14, 2015 at 10:11 am by robvalue.)

(September 14, 2015 at 5:40 am)Ben Davis Wrote:
(September 12, 2015 at 3:17 am)pool Wrote: Rob, Supernatural is not ill defined.
If one cannot explain(at least 1% of it)a phenomena or occurrence then that is supernatural.
Me personally do not believe that science is capable of defining *everything* that would imply that there are some things that cannot be explained(not even by 1%) then i guess i believe in supernatural.

How exactly do you determine what % of a phenomenon/occurrence is unexplainable?

Your definition leaves us facing the possibility that everything/anything is supernatural. This is what Rob means by 'ill defined'.

That's right. Even if we have a fantastic natural explanation for something, we can't exclude there also being some additional supernatural cause.

Whatever supernatural means! Since people generally can't agree and the dictionary definition is bollocks.

LastPoet · September 14, 2015 at 10:30 am

Who cares about supernatural when there is the giganatural... what about the possibility of a teranatural?

And where is the kilonatural?

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