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RE: A challenge to xtians persuade me
September 3, 2015 at 5:35 pm
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(September 3, 2015 at 11:06 am)Neimenovic Wrote: And in all seriousness, they won't, and they can't. Because faith never comes from reasoning, but from feelings and indoctrination. It's an emotional crutch forced on kids. It takes a lot to let go of it once you buy into it, and it comes back to haunt you afterwards whenever you're emotionally weak.
Turn about is fair play. Atheism is based on wishful thinking that you can do as you please without being accountable to any divine or natural law.
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RE: A challenge to xtians persuade me
September 3, 2015 at 5:54 pm
Demonstrate that there is "any divine or natural law", then we can talk.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: A challenge to xtians persuade me
September 3, 2015 at 8:19 pm
(September 3, 2015 at 5:35 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: (September 3, 2015 at 11:06 am)Neimenovic Wrote: And in all seriousness, they won't, and they can't. Because faith never comes from reasoning, but from feelings and indoctrination. It's an emotional crutch forced on kids. It takes a lot to let go of it once you buy into it, and it comes back to haunt you afterwards whenever you're emotionally weak.
Turn about is fair play. Atheism is based on wishful thinking that you can do as you please without being accountable to any divine or natural law.
Um i'm pretty sure that isn't correct at all. Considering why is it that god the ultimate being forgives people of horrible acts. So someone like Hitler could be like jesus forgive my sins
and he can go to heaven. There is people who kill murder steal etc and pray for their sins to go away. Yeah no atheists for the most part accept their wrong doing instead of putting it on
a dead guy because it is the right thing to do.
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RE: A challenge to xtians persuade me
September 3, 2015 at 8:20 pm
(September 3, 2015 at 9:47 am)Drich Wrote: What if 'we' like the path your on? Or what if Christianity is not about being persuaded? What if Christianity is about giving those an opportunity to those who truly want to be with God the means to do so. God is not about forcing belief or worship. either you want to or you don't. if you don't then maybe 'we' don't want you to.
Then why have the Christians on this site spent so much time and effort in trying to persuade us if that's not the point.?
Yes, I guess you do like the path we're on. Just as Jesus told his disciples that he spoke in parables so that outsiders would not be able to understand and be forgiven their sins.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
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RE: A challenge to xtians persuade me
September 3, 2015 at 8:37 pm
I've gotten kudos from both chadwooters and Drich in this thread. I feel dirty.
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RE: A challenge to xtians persuade me
September 3, 2015 at 8:59 pm
(September 3, 2015 at 3:22 pm)Drich Wrote: (September 3, 2015 at 12:37 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Its not a waste if christers take it seriously and actually try, but I garan-fucking-tee they won't. Except drich who has already stated he basically has nothing.
Again, Christianity/Biblicall Christianity does not work that way. We are told not to throw peals before swine. As FF pointed out this is just a cheap trick. Why would any of us 'try' if sandy is content in his miso-theism?
You also are told to emulate christ. But you fall very short in that regard. Because you we also told to love thy neighbor as they self, which means that if your neighbor is sick you heal, if he is hungry you feed him, and so on. Instead you come on here and where jesus was humble (even when angry, he was humble) your so self-righteous it is sickening. Do you ignore the parable of the seeds on the path? Or jesus sending out the 72? The writing of the apostle peter? Or paul's urging to spread the good news? If you do not throw your pearls to the swine then why did paul travel to many cities that were hostile to his message? Jesus came to us a teacher so poor that many of us living in the west now would find it hard to even imagine his life. Do you remember what jesus said to the rich man that asked "what must I do to get into the kingdom of heaven?" Well this question is not so different, and jesus's answer certainly wasn't "I dont cast pearls to swine."
Yet here you sit with more wealth and power then that rich man could have ever imagined and you lecture us on the true path to heaven.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: A challenge to xtians persuade me
September 3, 2015 at 9:05 pm
(September 3, 2015 at 8:37 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: I've gotten kudos from both chadwooters and Drich in this thread. I feel dirty.
I feel dirty as well. I had to give kudos to both of those posts, too.
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RE: A challenge to xtians persuade me
September 3, 2015 at 9:07 pm
(September 3, 2015 at 9:05 pm)Faith No More Wrote: (September 3, 2015 at 8:37 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: I've gotten kudos from both chadwooters and Drich in this thread. I feel dirty.
I feel dirty as well. I had to give kudos to both of those posts, too.
Lets just all be dirty together.
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RE: A challenge to xtians persuade me
September 3, 2015 at 9:20 pm
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(September 3, 2015 at 9:07 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: (September 3, 2015 at 9:05 pm)Faith No More Wrote: I feel dirty as well. I had to give kudos to both of those posts, too.
Lets just all be dirty together.
Dirty in other ways  
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RE: A challenge to xtians persuade me
September 3, 2015 at 10:40 pm
I'd believe in a higher power if dyresand learned about commas.
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