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RE: How Do We Respect Other People's Beliefs?
September 8, 2015 at 3:41 pm
(September 8, 2015 at 3:36 pm)Losty Wrote: No idea, I just felt like I was missing something haha
Well obviously I wouldn't say I agree with literally telling anyone to "f*ck off" if they refuse to leave you alone, but I do agree in principle to be stern at that point.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: How Do We Respect Other People's Beliefs?
September 8, 2015 at 3:47 pm
(September 8, 2015 at 3:41 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (September 8, 2015 at 3:36 pm)Losty Wrote: No idea, I just felt like I was missing something haha
Well obviously I wouldn't say I agree with literally telling anyone to "f*ck off" if they refuse to leave you alone, but I do agree in principle to be stern at that point.
But that's likely because you think swearing is bad. I personally think it's silly to be concerned about "bad" words.
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RE: How Do We Respect Other People's Beliefs?
September 8, 2015 at 3:50 pm
A wise person once told me "There's no such thing as bad language; only bad people. And they can be bad in any language."
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RE: How Do We Respect Other People's Beliefs?
September 8, 2015 at 3:54 pm
Another thing about beliefs, I'd look down my judgmental nose at folks that expect me to respect their beliefs more than THEY do.
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RE: How Do We Respect Other People's Beliefs?
September 8, 2015 at 3:55 pm
Only in my nightmares.
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RE: How Do We Respect Other People's Beliefs?
September 8, 2015 at 4:18 pm
(September 8, 2015 at 3:47 pm)Losty Wrote: (September 8, 2015 at 3:41 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
Well obviously I wouldn't say I agree with literally telling anyone to "f*ck off" if they refuse to leave you alone, but I do agree in principle to be stern at that point.
But that's likely because you think swearing is bad. I personally think it's silly to be concerned about "bad" words.
Well, kind of. Not that any particular word is inherently "bad" in and of itself, it's just not how I would personally choose to address someone. Ideally, anyway. Not saying I never have.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: How Do We Respect Other People's Beliefs?
September 8, 2015 at 5:30 pm
I'd say the frequent threats of being burned alive endlessly and for all eternity, among other fun suggestions made to me and to children every day as a means of mafia-esque intimidation into compliance with The Boss (eh, uh mister, you'd better do what Boss says... I'd hate to see anyone get their kneecaps broke aroun' here, capiche?), is a million times worse than the most impressive/offensive combination of "bad words" I could even potentially muster.
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RE: How Do We Respect Other People's Beliefs?
September 8, 2015 at 5:58 pm
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(September 7, 2015 at 11:00 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: Theists often complain that we don't respect their beliefs. I've found that they often want a lot more respect than they're willing to give. So let's explore this question. What does it mean to respect someone's beliefs and why should we?
How can you respect it when another person’s paradigm for thinking is so different from your own that you can’t even get into a discussion about it that doesn’t turn into an argument?
How does a theist say he respects other’s beliefs when at the same time he believes those others are the enemies of his god and on their way to hell?
How does an atheist respect the beliefs of theists when those beliefs are not based on any algorithm of thought which the atheist respects?
I feel like the above precludes most of the well read of our christian counterparts from being able to "follow the letter" and still be able to respect beliefs of others. Xenophobia is built in to christianity. They'll never respect our beliefs so long as they've been reading the bible.
On the other side of the coin, I'll not respect theirs, for the pure inanity of it all.
Though I might not respect religious beliefs, I still have the capacity to remain civil while expressing my disdain for their fantasies.
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RE: How Do We Respect Other People's Beliefs?
September 8, 2015 at 6:13 pm
(September 7, 2015 at 11:00 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: Theists often complain that we don't respect their beliefs. I've found that they often want a lot more respect than they're willing to give. So let's explore this question. What does it mean to respect someone's beliefs and why should we?
How can you respect it when another person’s paradigm for thinking is so different from your own that you can’t even get into a discussion about it that doesn’t turn into an argument?
How does a theist say he respects other’s beliefs when at the same time he believes those others are the enemies of his god and on their way to hell?
How does an atheist respect the beliefs of theists when those beliefs are not based on any algorithm of thought which the atheist respects?
Who cares? People are what deserve respect, not beliefs. A friend of mine who was a devout Christian got offended when I used the lord's name in vain once. Did I belittle his beliefs in front of his face and argue with him about how he would be better off ditching his ways of thinking? No, I apologized and didn't do it around him again because I respected him as a person and knew his religion was important to him. I would only attack the beliefs of a friend if they were particularly grotesque and offensive and/or encouraged harmful behavior.
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RE: How Do We Respect Other People's Beliefs?
September 8, 2015 at 6:19 pm
(September 8, 2015 at 6:13 pm)Tartarus Sauce Wrote: (September 7, 2015 at 11:00 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: Theists often complain that we don't respect their beliefs. I've found that they often want a lot more respect than they're willing to give. So let's explore this question. What does it mean to respect someone's beliefs and why should we?
How can you respect it when another person’s paradigm for thinking is so different from your own that you can’t even get into a discussion about it that doesn’t turn into an argument?
How does a theist say he respects other’s beliefs when at the same time he believes those others are the enemies of his god and on their way to hell?
How does an atheist respect the beliefs of theists when those beliefs are not based on any algorithm of thought which the atheist respects?
Who cares? People are what deserve respect, not beliefs. A friend of mine who was a devout Christian got offended when I used the lord's name in vain once. Did I belittle his beliefs in front of his face and argue with him about how he would be better off ditching his ways of thinking? No, I apologized and didn't do it around him again because I respected him as a person and knew his religion was important to him. I would only attack the beliefs of a friend if they were particularly grotesque and offensive and/or encouraged harmful behavior.
^This. Exactly this.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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