How Do We Respect Other People's Beliefs?

[Wyrd of Gawd]

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But why are there any instances of Catholic dogma that shouldn't be implemented into the nations laws ??

Does Catholic conviction falter on some issues ??  Are doubts are creeping in ??


Timothy assures us ALL scripture is suitable.  No asterisk, no fine print, just the Word.  Otta be easy, no ?  


(weird this post sounds snarky, but I'm perplexed again/still)

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There are a lot of things that are "Catholic dogma" and also happen to be against the law. Stealing, murdering, raping, etc. Like all those things, we think abortion should be against the law because it is taking away the right of someone else. In this case, the right to life of the unborn.

But if all babies go to heaven isn't it doing them a favor by aborting them?  That way they never sin and suffer toil and trouble.  Abortion should therefore be considered the ultimate act of love.  Imagine if all of those paedophile priests had been aborted.  They would have been spared lives of sin.  Instead they will be tossed into the lake of fire for their countless acts of sexual immorality on their young victims.  Now they are doomed to hell fire instead of getting a bunk in heaven.  Isn't that just awful?

[robvalue]

That's right. Killing babies before they have the chance to sin gives them an instant win, and saves them having to go through this measly existence too. It's the best thing you could possibly do for them. If you don't kill your own children quickly in this way, you're instead risking them going to hell. Why would you do that?

Unless you don't really believe they go anywhere when they die, of course.

PS: abortion/baby murder is actually fantastic, because it is also insurance against picking the wrong religion. The baby hasn't had the chance to actually select the wrong one yet, so it will get into whatever heaven is waiting, even if you yourself don't, because you've picked wrong. The ultimate love for your child.

[vorlon13]

Abortion is actually irrelevant in regards to Salvation. As the fetus is soulless until successful delivery and the first breath, there is no free ticket to heaven (or hell) as there is no actual living ensouled human being to experience either.

Once the fetus takes that first breath however, you are correct, immediately killing the now living ensouled human being will bring heaven and hell into play.

I'm assuming the original sin (Eve, Adam, apples and the serpent thing) will ensure all ensouled babies that are killed immediately upon the first breath will go to hell, as their redemption by belief in Jesus Christ will be inoperative.

It would actually be the best possible Hell experience, however, as the baby will not have had time to accrue any more sins during it's brief existence on earth. I'm sure everyone of us atheist heathens will appreciate their, relatively speaking, benign Hell experience. Probably they won't experience much in the way of rectal abuse, just continually being violently and totally crushed under an infinite pile of apples for all of eternity.

I'm already jealous.

[Pyrrho]

Abortion is actually irrelevant in regards to Salvation.  As the fetus is soulless until successful delivery and the first breath, there is no free ticket to heaven (or hell) as there is no actual living ensouled human being to experience either.

Once the fetus takes that first breath however, you are correct, immediately killing the now living ensouled human being will bring heaven and hell into play.

I'm assuming the original sin (Eve, Adam, apples and the serpent thing) will ensure all ensouled babies that are killed immediately upon the first breath will go to hell, as their redemption by belief in Jesus Christ will be inoperative.

It would actually be the best possible Hell experience, however, as the baby will not have had time to accrue any more sins during it's brief existence on earth. I'm sure everyone of us atheist heathens will appreciate their, relatively speaking, benign Hell experience. Probably they won't experience much in the way of rectal abuse, just continually being violently and totally crushed under an infinite pile of apples for all of eternity.

I'm already jealous.

It is refreshing to see someone get their theology from the Bible instead of just making shit up the way most so-called "Christians" do.  You really are a better Christian than most of the ones who profess belief in Christianity.