The "not all Muslims are terrorists" fallacy

[TheRocketSurgeon]

Be very careful with the term "plague", as it borders closely on fascist rhetoric we have seen too often on this planet in the past; it has the effect of rhetorically reducing our fellow human beings to germs, and painting the people, rather than the ideology, as something that needs to be eradicated physically, rather than the idea educated/reasoned away.

What gives you the impression of him not intending to do just that?

*sigh*

Optimism.

*/sigh*

[rado84]

Be very careful with the term "plague", as it borders closely on fascist rhetoric we have seen too often on this planet in the past; it has the effect of rhetorically reducing our fellow human beings to germs, and painting the people, rather than the ideology, as something that needs to be eradicated physically, rather than the idea educated/reasoned away.

The reason I'm coming down so hard on you for voicing a desire (and, really, for even harboring it) to attack Muslims is because if we, who are so often the target of the religious majority, cannot recognize the evil that such thinking represents, then who will? As I tell the Christians so often, you don't get to be the martyr and the bully, too.

To even hint at violence toward people, especially if your position is one about which you feel you must be coy, is not cool.

They're spreading like a plague - violently and they don't ask you whether you want them or not. In the past it has been done with a weapon. Now they'll do the same, only not with a weapon but with demands and if the politicians of your country are venal traitors as those of my country are, soon you'll find yourself wearing a long robe with a turban on your head and women will be dressed beyond recognition.

I don't have a problem with other religious groups who don't want to kill me for not wanting to believe what they believe. There are some Indians* here in Bulgaria. They're not as many as the Arabs but I can tell you they don't give a sh.t what we (christians and atheists in a christian world) choose to believe or not to believe and they don't wanna kill us for that. They accept our way of life and don't have desires to change it. I don't know what their religion is, altough it does look similar to Islam, but these are people I'm not afraid of and they're not giving me any reasons to fear them. Quite the opposite, in fact.

*Let me make a note to that - I'm not talking about the Bulgarian gypsies who came from the Indian region about a 1000 years ago and never evolved from that savage stage. I'm talking about native Indians from the 20th and 21st century whose culture and values have evolved to the point to respect other people's beliefs and way of life.

While here are many Turkish who constantly provoke us with statements that Bulgaria must be enslaved and that whoever doesn't want to accept Islam will be killed. But in order to understand that you'll have to live here for some time and witness how Arabs from different countries, Turkish people and Bulgarian gypsies from time to time start shouting a hatred phrase which roughly translates as "Bulgarians should be made a soap". All that is because we refuse to live the life want us to live or to believe what they believe.

[Losty]

Lol what does bisexuality have to do with it?

See the color marked. I just meant being insulted by people who know nothing about me has always been part of my life, so insulting me won't accomplish anything, except make me laugh.
As for your other question, unless you're a feminine looking and dressing guy, hitting on me could be a mission impossible.

I'm a woman... I thought bisexual meant you like men and women? Oh well, I already hit on you, you don't have to reciprocate. I've been searching for myself a label for a while now and I think pansexual fits me best. Not that I've ever told anyone beyond this forum, so I can't say I know how you feel about being insulted for your sexuality. I do know what it's like to be judged by people who don't know me.

I don't think that's what is going on here. People are seeming a bit hostile towards you, but after seeing some of your quotes (out of context as they may be), I can understand it. I dislike most Muslims, to the point it actually makes me feel bad. I find that no matter how "peaceful" they are they all tend to still believe the same disgusting ideas that Islam teaches. But I don't want them dead. I don't wish them harm. I think many of them have the potential to be very dangerous and we should be wary of them.

If you get on here start saying how you want a huge group of people to die, people are going to react negatively to that for obvious reasons.

[abaris]

I think many of them have the potential to be very dangerous and we should be wary of them.

Long live ignorance. Obviously, you don't know any muslims. I certainly hope that's the only reason for the above statement.

[Losty]

I think many of them have the potential to be very dangerous and we should be wary of them.

Long live ignorance. Obviously, you don't know any muslims. I certainly hope that's the only reason for the above statement.

Actually I do, I have a very good friend who is Muslim. She's a wonderful person though some of her family makes me nervous. If it makes you feel better I feel the same way about Christians. I'm paranoid of religious people in general and I like to be wary and alert. I have personal experience that makes me probably unnecessarily cautious of religious people, but it's not about ignorance. Regardless of their actions, many religious people will defend their holy books even for the most disgusting verses.
I don't trust people. I'm sorry if that makes me sound like a bigot.

[dyresand]

Long live ignorance. Obviously, you don't know any muslims. I certainly hope that's the only reason for the above statement.

Actually I do, I have a very good friend who is Muslim. She's a wonderful person though some of her family makes me nervous. If it makes you feel better I feel the same way about Christians. I'm paranoid of religious people in general and I like to be wary and alert. I have personal experience that makes me probably unnecessarily cautious of religious people, but it's not about ignorance. Regardless of their actions, many religious people will defend their holy books even for the most disgusting verses.
I don't trust people. I'm sorry if that makes me sound like a bigot.

I don't honestly blame you i feel paranoid about the religious as well given the history and everything. I mean 
they are in other words programmed to believe in bullshit that isn't true and well the book they read isn't exactly peaceful.
I mean considering the violence and everything not to mention how aggressive a theist can get. Not to mention a awhile ago
a christian killed his atheist roomate saying he was the devil. Not to mention lately atheist bloggers have been getting killed
and harmed and even jailed.

[Thumpalumpacus]

History has shown many times that muslims are a plague and it will show it once again on our account.

When the communists in the USSR wanted to off millions of this or that group (kulaks, or Cossacks, or other groups), they labeled them "insects". The NaZis and other fascist groups regularly referred to target groups as "vermin" or "lice".

The company you keep ...

[Catholic_Lady]

The guy says multiple times he regrets the body count wasn't higher, he wants muslims dead, calls them swines and posts memes and videos to prove how dangerous they are and you think it's being sarcastic? Come on. I wonder if you'd react the same way if he was talking about christians.

Spot-on. There's sarcasm, there's douchebaggery, and then there's bad hearts.

CL, you yourself have repeated the Golden Rule when talking about atheists being assholes before -- "if you don't want Christians treating you that way, don't treat them that way" --  but here you are giving one a pass? On wishing folks dead?

Me, I take ABG at face-value. And that ain't good.

I don't agree with what he's saying, don't get me wrong. And perhaps I'm being a little too defensive of him because he's a friend, and was reacting to him being called an idiot.

[Catholic_Lady]

IIRC CL, you were very upset about 'something about a bomb', a comment that was allegedly made in regard to christians, but in the very same thread when Drich made a comment about killing atheists you said you were sure he was joking. And here you are saying, in face of ABG explicitly saying he wishes muslims to die, that you think it's sarcasm and that he could clarify. It's hard not to see the double standard.

I wasn't "very upset" at all, since I didn't say a word about it on the thread when I saw it. I was simply pointing out that crude but not serious comments go both ways.

[Longhorn]

Not upset?? I thought you said you look away when you see comments like these about christians. Am I missing something?