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RE: Proving the Bible is false in few words.
May 10, 2010 at 6:01 pm
(May 10, 2010 at 5:47 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Me play
(May 10, 2010 at 3:54 pm)xangelusx Wrote: I like the way you started this, but I think you could do better and even add some branching logic:
1: Do you believe that the bible is the literal word of god?
A: No (go to 2)
B: Yes (go to 6)
2: So you agree that some things in the Bible are not literal, like Adam and Eve?
A: No (go to 6)
B: Yes (go to 3)
3.) So the Bible must be interpreted by (hu)man(s) as a collection of allegories?
A: No - you said "some things" not 'all things' dummy
B: Yes (go to 4)
4.) So who provides the interpretation?
A: X (fill in the blank, go to 5)
5.) So the bible is the literal word of X and you worship X?
A: No (they've stone walled. there is no hope. just walk away now)
B: Yes (oh fuck, they're really drinking the kool-aid. walk away and watch your back!)
Illogical question. I expect no better from an illogical person
6.) So you also believe that people should be killed for wearing cotton blends, that owning slaves is OK, and that it's also OK to sell your daughter?
A: No (they see the error of their ways. Welcome them to the dark side.)
B: Yes (RUNNNNNNNNNNNNN!)
Conclusion : you're a twat! LOLOL
(May 10, 2010 at 5:28 pm)Eilonnwy Wrote: Yet the Bible depicts God as a liar. Proof or you owe me 1 shag
Wow, you've shown yourself to be an asshole 4 times over in that response. How very christian of you. God must be proud.
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RE: Proving the Bible is false in few words.
May 10, 2010 at 6:04 pm
Nothing wrong with criticism mate - learn to take it
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RE: Proving the Bible is false in few words.
May 10, 2010 at 6:17 pm
It wasn't the criticism I was citing you for. It was the use of the words "dummy" and "twat" in reference to me, your sexist solicitation towards Eilonnwy, and finally your absolutely asinine approach towards debate.
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RE: Proving the Bible is false in few words.
May 10, 2010 at 6:17 pm
(May 10, 2010 at 5:47 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Proof or you owe me 1 shag
Oh come on fr0d0, you're a Christian, you should know God lies in the story of Adam and Eve. Even if you take it as just a story, he is still depicted as lying.
Genesis Wrote:3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. Source: http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/3.html
God said they'd die, did they die?
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RE: Proving the Bible is false in few words.
May 10, 2010 at 6:20 pm
They suffered a kind of death; not physical, though. More a spiritual death.
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RE: Proving the Bible is false in few words.
May 10, 2010 at 6:25 pm
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/faceplam
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RE: Proving the Bible is false in few words.
May 10, 2010 at 6:26 pm
No, God said "Die" he didn't say "a spiritual death". And when they eat the fruit, it is said only that they gain knowledge. You're just making pathetic excuses to ignore the fact that God lies to Adam and Eve but the snake tells the truth.
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RE: Proving the Bible is false in few words.
May 10, 2010 at 6:29 pm
No, once again, this goes to the fact that you must take the whole story, and it's contents, as metaphorical. When He said they would die, He meant they would spiritually die. Hence why afterward, they did not truly physically die, they were simply banished to miserable existences metaphorical to the idea that seperation from God is spiritual death and msiery.
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RE: Proving the Bible is false in few words.
May 10, 2010 at 6:34 pm
There is absolutely nothing in the story that suggests a spiritual death, but simply a punishment for disobeying daddy. Find me the passage that says they suffer a spiritual death, please. Otherwise you're just blowing smoke.
You can spin the Bible however you want to justify it in your mind, but the facts are plain to see. God said they would die, never said spiritually, they didn't die as a direct result of eating the fruit.
Furthermore, if you take the whole story, and it's contents seems God didn't want humans to be just like Him and the other gods up there, (because look at the wording, he uses "Us") and banishes them from the Garden of Eden so they won't eat from the Tree of Life and become immortal.
Hmmm. Even just as a metaphorical story, God is a dick.
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RE: Proving the Bible is false in few words.
May 10, 2010 at 6:35 pm
(This post was last modified: May 10, 2010 at 6:49 pm by xangelusx.)
If the bible is metaphorical then you admit that it must be interpreted as a collection of allegories. Therefore, it is not the literal word of god. Therefore it was written by man. Therefore it cannot possibly represent the will of god since man is fallible. Therefore your religion is built upon a lie.
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