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RE: Greetings,I commence open challenge to anyone
September 24, 2015 at 5:02 pm
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(September 24, 2015 at 4:55 pm)Chad32 Wrote: We risk "hell" regardless. You risk hell yourself, because you're not a muslim.
According to Quran, no one enters hell but the most wicked. People who know the truth when seeing miracles for example, cannot be compared to those who are unaware of a miracle or divine proofs.
No one risks hell save by being evil. The good people will enter heaven, and the evil people will enter hell.
God is not going to punish a person for simply not believing in Islam, though such a person is in clear loss of a higher treasure and worthy path.
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RE: Greetings,I commence open challenge to anyone
September 24, 2015 at 5:03 pm
(September 24, 2015 at 4:56 pm)Grehoman Ebenezer Wrote: (September 24, 2015 at 4:55 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Human bodies are poor because Yahweh messed up or inflicted it on us. No wonder he's so unlikable.
No its,because of Adam and eve's sin,if only if they would have obeyed him.
Maybe he should have given them a talk so that Satan had to do more than say "That's not true". Really, that's all he does.
Eve: God said this
Snake: nu uh
Eve: ok
You can't put it all on eve. Well, I guess many do, but you shouldn't.
I've heard Adam and Eve were made "perfect", but what does perfection mean when it still allows people to make mistakes?
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RE: Greetings,I commence open challenge to anyone
September 24, 2015 at 5:06 pm
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(September 24, 2015 at 4:53 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (September 24, 2015 at 2:41 pm)Grehoman Ebenezer Wrote: I will happily debate any atheist on this forum.
- Cosmological Argument
- Argument From Design
- Argument From Consciousness
- Ontological Argument
- Historicity of the Resurrection of Jesus
- The accuracy of the bible
- Bible archaeology
- Proving other religion's false
Anyone can come forward,for a challenge against me.
1. They'll say they've heard it all before...and some of them probably have...to varying degrees of clarity.
2. What is less certain is whether any of them can actually refute the arguments...though some are cock-sure they can.
3. Almost unanimously, they'll use #1 above to avoid actually trying to refute your arguments.
4. Unanimously, they will attack ME for pointing these things out to YOU.
Good luck!
I won't attack you, only your points.
1. Yes, we've heard it before. Stating so does not negate that all the philosophical arguments for the existence of a god all contain fallacies.
2. Almost every one here can. The fact remains, a -priori arguments cannot establish matters of fact.
3. No one here will use the statement that they've heard it all before in place of actual arguments. The fact remains, that any cursory search of this site, and every philosophy forum out there, will lead to thread after thread of these arguments being refuted. It's not our fault that every theist that as just been introduced to the philosophical arguments believes they are unassailable, and that our reason for being atheists is that we've just never heard them before.
4. I did not attack you. So much for your claim that we will attack you unanimously.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Greetings,I commence open challenge to anyone
September 24, 2015 at 5:10 pm
Hey, are the hide tags not working?
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RE: Greetings,I commence open challenge to anyone
September 24, 2015 at 5:11 pm
(September 24, 2015 at 5:02 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: God is not going to punish a person for simply not believing in Islam, though such a person is in clear loss of a higher treasure and worthy path.
Up for debate, of course, but still better than the christian version I was brought up with. The one with threatening every non believer.
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RE: Greetings,I commence open challenge to anyone
September 24, 2015 at 5:12 pm
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Certain denominations of christianity will have you believe that we all go to hell by default. you have to be saved and born again, which is why some people baptize babies. How are you going to convert an atheist without threatening them with hell, I ask you? Sometimes the carrot works, but sometimes you need the stick.
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RE: Greetings,I commence open challenge to anyone
September 24, 2015 at 5:14 pm
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(September 24, 2015 at 4:58 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (September 24, 2015 at 4:54 pm)Grehoman Ebenezer Wrote: See how dishonest these moderator's are they take away,my reasoning of evidence.DO YOU NOT KNOW THAT I DO THIS FOR YOUR SAKE,I DON'T WANT YOU TO IN HELL.
and yet you strive in unbelief.
What makes you think they will be in hell? Unbeliever means one who disbelieves when they divine proof CLEARLY manifested and it has has entered their hearts but they deny. How do you know Atheists here know the truth but disbelieve in it?
My opinion is that people are lost regarding their true purpose without a Guide and guidance from God, but, that is not to say they are going to go to hell.
OK I will wait 30 days and respond,to all these
An atheist may not know the truth,but his/she rebellion of not seeking is a sin
An atheist may know some truth but can chose to ignore and therefore sin
An atheist may not like God's rule's so he/she can chose not to believe and therefore sin
An agnostic is a person who ignores God who is not seeking properly
An atheist may even be a person who does not care about God.
No person is innocent therefore an atheist is not innocent because of original sin.genesis
how about this,our heart's will not be able to give out unconditional love,in this world neither can no one in the world can receive,so our heart's no matter what pleasure we may get from this world it will not be satisfactory,soon we would get bored and whatever,but there is a love which is from God that is unconditional Love (the love that does not get tired) that we can receive so our hearts are set to keep seeking,but true happiness will only be found in God.
You said in your opinion,that you believe no one goes to hell but.
God clearly states,in his word
"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."Revelation 21:8
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RE: Greetings,I commence open challenge to anyone
September 24, 2015 at 5:14 pm
(September 24, 2015 at 4:54 pm)Grehoman Ebenezer Wrote: See how dishonest these moderator's are they take away,my reasoning of evidence.DO YOU NOT KNOW THAT I DO THIS FOR YOUR SAKE,I DON'T WANT YOU TO BE IN HELL.
and yet you strive in unbelief.
Oh what the fork, dude?
In your intro thread, I warned you about exactly this type of thing. I go away for a couple of hours to have a walk with my Beloved, and come back to this?
We specifically told you that you could not post spam here.
It is plagiarism and disrespectful, as well. That's why it is against the rules, for everybody, both atheists and theists alike.
Why do so many of you feel it's okay to come here and violate the basic rules of the forum, which apply to all, and then have the sheer temerity to claim that we're oppressing you or afraid of some kind of Truth, when we make it quite clear what our reasons are?
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: Greetings,I commence open challenge to anyone
September 24, 2015 at 5:16 pm
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Looks like the n00b is gonna have a headache before the night's over.
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