The Paradox of Power....

[loganonekenobi]

Are you fucking kidding me?!
The catholic church rose to dominate because of guns, germs, and steel.  Just ask the natives of the western hemisphere.  

Please for the love of dog look at the history of the catholic church and then tell me with a straight face that it was "lovingly" given to the people of the world.

They "endured" at the expense of every one and anyone that would not give them everything they wanted.

in the first few centuries the christians were the persecuted then after about 350 AD once they became recognized and in power they quickly became the persecutors.  They would still be that way today if it weren't for key events in history.

The church's hands are dripping with centuries of blood.

With a straight face.I can tell you that this a load of rubbish and nothing more,The church did not kill anyone,except in the crusades due to the Muslims attack in holy land so for the defence of holy land.The Crusades were born from the violent aggression of Islam, which had conquered ancient Christian territory in the Holy Land and North Africa and established a large foothold in Europe within a century of Muhammad’s death in the early seventh century.Someone has told you a lie.

yes these lies. right?

http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm

remember to look down at the bottom with all the cited source material please. If it didn't have that then it would be rubbish.

Get a clue and understand that there wouldn't be such an atheist movement or a need to seperate church from state if the church had killed no one. The Christian doctrine calls for the death of non believers
Deuteronomy 17
the death of gays
Leviticus 20:13
the death of witches
Exodus 22:18
the death of disobedient children
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
the death of people who are in the way of the jews having a particular piece of land
Deuteronomy 20

all of these passages have been used to justify the murders in the link i provided.
and now all of these passages are being "explained" by the Christians in various was to, once again. justify what is obvious whole sale slaughter.

And if you want to say "the church didn't do it" just remember that until Martin Luther every one in Europe was ruled in one form or another by the catholic church. in that time 1000's died in the name of Jesus Christ with the bible as their one true guide.

Christians love to site the bible when ever someone finds a few pieces of pottery that say "yes this passage or that passage may be relevent to our finding" but then totally dismiss anything concrete in history that shows how badly the religious can act. Like your priests molesting children and then the pope trying to hide that fact.

So please, be spiritual if you want. Believe as you choose but don't ride in on the false horse of moral superiority to me and say "you need Jesus."

[TheRocketSurgeon]

If any of you's have any other argument's against the bible please state now so that,I can figure that out.In the mean time I strongly urge you to visit these site's.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=9130&v=z6kgvhG3AkI (Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham - HD (Official)))

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As_tG_rxTaI (40 Archaeology Facts that prove the Bible is True)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg8TDIdRMag (Common Bible Contradictions Explained - Why Atheism Is Not The Answer)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CY-jX9juoQ (Contradictions in the Bible - Kent Hovind) 


[*] Ken Ham got his ass handed to him. No reasonable person thinks Ham looked anything but ridiculous in that "debate". A whole
            series of memes have been floating around the internet ever since over how ridiculous Ham made Christians look.

[*] I watched that entire Dogdamned "40 Archaeology Facts" video, and it literally went through 20 facts before I found even one,
            not even one, that wasn't just a rehashing of known people in history that the Old Testament writers didn't invent. It's
            a laugh to calls those "proofs" of the Bible, only that the Bible isn't 100% historically inaccurate. And every one of those "proofs"
            glossed over the places where the Bible gets details that we know from other sources about those Egyptian rulers and other
            historical persons wrong. It gets even funnier when you look at the claims about the "Tomb of Joseph Caiphas" because it's a
            strongly disputed find (also, the name on it is not Caiphas, it's "Qafa" or "Qofa" or "Qayafa", and Joseph is a common name), and
            equally silly is to point to the Pontias Pilate inscription, which actually provided evidence against later writers who mention Jesus (like
            Tacitus and Josephus) because it shows the Christians got the info wrong when they talked about the alleged crucifixion.

[*] Your third video is an embarassment. You should feel ashamed to have used it. That guy's arguments are so bad that there are
            atheist YouTubers who've made their entire careers out of mocking him! You almost literally picked the worst apologist on YouTube.
            Did you watch these videos before you posted them? For instance, this guy says: "Look, it's very simple. The Big Bang doesn't 
            explain anything. Let me show you why the Big Bang doesn't explain anything. The Big Bang does, uh, it relies on time. It relies
            on space. Those are already there for the Big Bang to occur..." 

[*] Kent Hovind is even worse than Ken Ham! The man who uses "Doctor" as a title, but got a certificate from here:



No joke. That's really where "Doctor Dino", as he used to call himself, got his degree. A split-level Ranch that was a "diploma mill". 

Look, I know you mean well, and are just trying to do the "raiht thang for Jayzus", but coming in here with weak-ass arguments and a complete misconception about what science is and what it claims just won't cut it around here.

I'm warning you now: I'm a former biologist, and I know what science does and doesn't actually say. Many of us here have degrees in fields related to science and/or mathematics, history, or theology. If you can't bring arguments that are better than that WeakSauce™ you just tried to pawn off on us, you're going to have a very rough life in here. 

Go read a book and learn some science. Real science, not the crap Ham and Hovind peddle.

[brewer]

Can't help myself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlFhaGXAp0E

[Angrboda]

Archaeological evidence contradicts all four stories that make up the foundations of the Bible

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/24...al-History

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laOzwFA5k60

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-bible-unearthed/

[Cyberman]

The first 15 of these deal with evidence that people that existed, mostly foreign kings, were mentioned in the bible.  In what sense does that show the bible is "true?"  Even fictional novels may refer to real people in history.  So what?  This doesn't prove the flood or the exodus happened, so those parts of the bible are false.  What do you call a book with false stories in it?  Fiction.

Absolutely. For instance: the Louvre exists. Paris exists. Westminster Abbey and the Temple Church in London exist. Rosslyn Chapel exists. Leonardo da Vinci was a real person. So clearly The Da Vinci Code really happened.

Alternatively: New York exists; therefore Spiderman.

[Cyberman]

[*]Kent Hovind is even worse than Ken Ham! The man who uses "Doctor" as a title, but got a certificate from here:

No joke. That's really where "Doctor Dino", as he used to call himself, got his degree. A split-level Ranch that was a "diploma mill".

Not to mention that his toilet paper 'dissertation' which bought him his cookie-cutter degree is a massive slap in the face to everyone who has worked their arses off actually to earn a real one.

[Cyberman]

Gah!

I actually have one similar to that. Except it's not the hammer that squeaks.

[TheRocketSurgeon]

[*]Kent Hovind is even worse than Ken Ham! The man who uses "Doctor" as a title, but got a certificate from here:

No joke. That's really where "Doctor Dino", as he used to call himself, got his degree. A split-level Ranch that was a "diploma mill".

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Not to mention that his toilet paper 'dissertation' which bought him his cookie-cutter degree is a massive slap in the face to everyone who has worked their arses off actually to earn a real one.

Ha! I didn't realize he started his "thesis paper" with "hello my name is". What is he, eleven?

Even back when I was in college 16 years ago, Hovind was already notorious for having edited/altered his "thesis" something like four times, a major no-no for a real thesis. It's just not possible, once submitted.

It really is like he's urinating on the shoes of real scientists. (And anyone else who has earned a legitimate doctorate.)

[Jackalope]

Rock, if you can stomach it, you oughtta hunt that turd of a dissertation down. Google knows where it is.

It's laughably bad. It's not even close to high school level academics.

[Homeless Nutter]

Not to mention that his toilet paper 'dissertation' which bought him his cookie-cutter degree is a massive slap in the face to everyone who has worked their arses off actually to earn a real one.

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lol

Quite frankly - I'm surprised he didn't start with "Dear Santa..."