The Paradox of Power....

[Believer21u]

Some of you said am going to prove that 2+2=5,but no am going to prove that 2+2=4
 
What reasons do we have to believe the bible is false? 
 
The moon is not a source of light. (Some skeptic’s claim this is a problem,that the bible say’s that the moon emit’s light,this is thought to be in the verse.
Genesis 1:15
“Let them [sun and moon] be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give [emit] light on the earth.”
 
But consider this,even when we know that we,know that the earth,revovles around the sun and rotates on it’s axies.We say that the star’s come out at the night time,even though we know they’re always there.So in appearance it seem’s as though the moon give’ light but the fact that it does so,by reflection rather than emission is not relevant to the biblical passage.You need remeber one thing the english version of bible is not the same as the hebrew translation’s,the english bible may miss some word’s or have a similar or same word,but the hebrew translation doesn’t,The Hebrew word used for emit/give light in this verse ('owr) can mean both “to be or become light” and “to be illuminated or become lighted up”.For example imagine that someone uses a mirror to reflect light in your eye’s,the ultimate source of the light is not the mirror, but the mirror appears bright to you because you’re on the receiving end of the reflection.We need remeber that not all bible verse’s can just be taken,out on it’s own becuase it won’t sound right or it may sound contradictory,so Taking this verse out of context can make it seem inaccurate, but when we step back (cf. Genesis 1:14–18), we understand more about the purpose of this passage. we understand more about the purpose of this passage.rather than how the light is given,god created everything,the sun and the moon to mark the season’s,days and years,which to this very day they are quit doing well.Take note that the bible does not provide technical and detailed chart’s on how this work,since God gave humans the ability to discover these through observational science,more info can be found online just do the research,as nothing is further from the truth.)Two individuals can't create a healthy species.(In the begining God created,everything very god,but according to hebrew translation it can also mean perfect,so for example adam and eve’s genes would have been perfect,but after they fell due to the after shock of orginal sin there gene’s and all there body lost,perfection but they did have the ability to create a fairly healthy offspring but not perfect as if they did not sin,so your right two individual’s won’t be able to create a perfect healthy of there same species,becuase they are fallen sinner’s of adam and eve.)
 The world didn't start out as a ball of liquid water in empty space without a sun nearby.(Through faith we can understand that  God created everything. God created things such as the earth (with water), space (which was empty, except for the earth), time, and light on Day One (GENESIS 1:1–2). None of these things existed before Day One (HEBREWS 11:3, COLOSSIANS 1:16). He created the atmosphere, by separating the waters, on Day Two (GENESIS 1:6–8). God separated the dry land from the sea on Day Three (see GENESIS 1:9–10). So, you are right that there was water on Day One, because God created water on that Day.)Noah's boat is both too large to function, and too small to house the number of animals and food it would take to get us to where we are.(Now am not going to waste time,explaining all that becuase it takes too long to explain and the information cannot be made small you can go google and type in “The Resource for Answering the Critics of Noah's Ark” and in there all these matter’s are explained.)You don't breed striped livestock by having the parents screw in front of striped poles.(Don’t understand what your talking about?) You don't cure leprosy by killing a bird and sprinkling its blood on a leper.(You haven’t read the verse properly,this not what it saying what it say’s is that,the proccess of sprinkinlg the blood of bird on leper,is a ritual cleansing proccess after the leper has been healed,this verse is found in the old testament,this ritual does not apply now see this is what happen’s when you put some verse on it’s own that it would not make sense,read verse.
 
Leviticus 14 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “These are the regulations for any diseased person at the time of their ceremonial cleansing, when they are brought to the priest: 3 The priest is to go outside the camp and examine them. If they have been healed of their defiling skin disease,[a] 4 the priest shall order that two live clean birds and some cedar wood, scarlet yarn and hyssop be brought for the person to be cleansed. 5 Then the priest shall order that one of the birds be killed over fresh water in a clay pot. 6 He is then to take the live bird and dip it, together with the cedar wood, the scarlet yarn and the hyssop, into the blood of the bird that was killed over the fresh water. 7 Seven times he shall sprinklethe one to be cleansed of the defiling disease, and then pronounce them clean. After that, he is to release the live bird in the open fields.
Now at the time,God only sent leperasy to those who broke God’s rules,if you read on you will see that this spiritual cleansing was a confirmation to God’s ordinance, The priests could not cleanse the lepers; but when the Lord removed the plague, various rules were to be observed in admitting them again to the ordinances of God, and the society of his people.)
The amount of slaves stated to have been freed from egypt outnumbered the egyptians, and there's no historical record of such a mass exodus.(There really were Israelites in Egypt at a certain time.  Evidence: There is a temple of Bene Israel in Egypt.this is not alone This alone will take page’s to answer but instead please go to youtube and watch video’s “ Israel in Egypt - Biblical Archaeology”,”EXODUS REVEALED!!- Hard Evidence in Red Sea of Israel's Escape From Egypt” on youtube.)
You could make a long list of things that just can't logically happen. You can make a lit of things that are blatantly morally wrong, like saying consenting same sex adults making love should be killed,(The Catholic church teach’s that gay people are to treated kindly,but there told not engage in the homsexual act but to live in chastaty as this is mortal sin against God and God’s word condem it and the catechism of the church) but treating people as chattel is ok as long as you don't kill your slave outright, or enslave your fellow isrealite male slave for life without giving him a wife first.(The bible does not say that slavery should not be allowed,as found in,(Deuteronomy 15:12-15; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1),So many people assume that the bible is allowing slavery to happen,but what many people fail to understand, is that the slavery in biblical times was very different from the slavery that was practiced in the past few centuries in many parts of the world.The slaverly according to bible was based on race,people were not enslaved becuase of their colour or their nationality.In the bible times slavery was based on economics,depending om social status,people sold themelves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or take care the need of their family’s.In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were slaves of someone else. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their masters.The bible condems race based slavery as all are in God’s image.(Genesis 1:27).The bible does give instruction’s on slavery how it should a slave be treated.)There are plenty of problems to be had with the bible.(Prove It!) Plenty of reasons not to follow it,(Prove It!) including the fact that we have evidence of Yahweh starting out as a lesser war god in a Canaanite pantheon(Nope,God never changes he was never a lesser God he was fully God as stated in the bible (Malachi 3:6))  , and Jesus' story not being original or unique to him.(Prove it!) Virgin births were all the rage at one point. We have reasons enough to disbelieve the bible, to the point that it's commonly said that reading the bible at face value is a sure road to atheism.聽( For me it wasn’t for me reading the bible increased my faith)

There are events that can't logically happen without magic(God can do anything as God is omnipotent,my friend God isn’t restricted to the laws of science,since he is the law giver), which can't be proven to be real, as well as deeply immoral commandments(Prove It!) and actions by Yahweh and his followers.(Prove It!) Someone being at best slightly more progressive than the culture of the time is not worthy of worship.(Prove It!)
 
This does not convince me that the Bible is false,try harder.
 

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There are 15 things the church Validates on the Bible 

1.Manuscript Evidence.
2.Archaeological Evidence.
3.Eyewitness Accounts.
4.Corroborating Accounts.
5.Literary Consistency.
6.Prophetic Consistency.
7.Expert Scrutiny.
8.Leader Acceptance. 
9.Global Influence.
10.Changed Lives
11.God’s character
12.Scientific accuracy
13.Claim of the Divine Authorship
14.Unity of the Bible
15.Fulfilled prophecy

Lets talk about one of them scientific accuracy,there are many things in the bible that are accurate with science for example this.

Scientific accuracy of the Bible               Bible is over 1,900 years old.


Fact 1.At a time when it was believed that the earth sat on a large animal or giant(1500 B.C),it says in the bible.
“he hangs the earth upon nothing”(Job 26:7)

Fact 2.Only recently science discovered that everything is composed of things we can’t see..Atoms.The Bible says this:
“things which are seen were not made of things which do appear”(Hebrews 11:3)

Fact 3.The bible mentions that the earth is round way before it was discovered!!
“it is he that sits up the circle of the earth”(Isaiah 40:22)

Fact 4.Mathew Maury found paths in the sea & the Bible mentions this
“paths of the sea”(Psalms 8:8)

Fact 5.it was a scientificial discovery that light can be sent and manifest itself into speech.God asked Job this in the Bible
“can you send lightnings,that they may go,and say to you,here we are?”(Job 38.35)

Fact 6.It was scientifically discovered recently that the earth is weraing out,this can be found in the Bible in the following,(Isaiah 51:6,Psalm 102:25-26, Hebreews 1:11)

Fact 7.Mississipi River dumps 518 billion gallons every day into the Gulf of Mexico.where does it go?The Clouds.the Bible took’s about condensation verse:
“if the clouds be full of rain,they empty themselves upon the earth.”(Ecclesiastes 11:3)

Fact 8.the First Law of Thermodynamics says “neither matter nor energy can be craeted or destroyed”The Bible says:
“The heavens and the earth were FINISHED”(Genesis 2:1)No creation or destruction of them since!

Fact 9.In Genesis 6,God gave Noah the dimentions the ark.This revolutionized ship building! EVERY large ship on the high seas was inclined toward the proportions of thw Ark.

This is not it,there are more than 50 fact's in the bible but am not going state them all,unless you want me to.

[Cyberman]

... wow.

[brewer]

I think he's got us now. What ever shall we do? I think he had me at "scientificial".

[Aoi Magi]

Fact 1.At a time when it was believed that the earth sat on a large animal or giant(1500 B.C),it says in the bible.
“he hangs the earth upon nothing”(Job 26:7)

"Hanging/hangeth" by definition is "upon nothing", if it was on a support, you wouldn't call it hanging, would you? Also "hanging" implies it is hanging "from" something.

Fact 2.Only recently science discovered that everything is composed of things we can’t see..Atoms.The Bible says this:
“things which are seen were not made of things which do appear”(Hebrews 11:3)

Better than explaining this myself, tell me, how did you infer that sentence denotes "Atoms" and not "Molecules"?

Fact 3.The bible mentions that the earth is round way before it was discovered!!
“it is he that sits up the circle of the earth”(Isaiah 40:22)

Earth is not flat or 2d and hence not a "circle", it's a "sphere".

Fact 4.Mathew Maury found paths in the sea & the Bible mentions this
“paths of the sea”(Psalms 8:8)

So? Benjamin Franklin discovered the gulf stream and charted it before Maury was born. Those few words taken out of context can mean anything, in context, they just mean naval/oceanic travel.

Fact 5.it was a scientificial discovery that light can be sent and manifest itself into speech.God asked Job this in the Bible
“can you send lightnings,that they may go,and say to you,here we are?”(Job 38.35)

hmm, so I guess, the scientists being able to do so, do have the right to question God, by god's own words. Also please cite your sources where lightning can produce human speech, without the aid of any man-made technologies.

Fact 6.It was scientifically discovered recently that the earth is weraing out,this can be found in the Bible in the following,(Isaiah 51:6,Psalm 102:25-26, Hebreews 1:11)

Every religion has a doomsday prophecy. So?

Fact 7.Mississipi River dumps 518 billion gallons every day into the Gulf of Mexico.where does it go?The Clouds.the Bible took’s about condensation verse:
“if the clouds be full of rain,they empty themselves upon the earth.”(Ecclesiastes 11:3)

Right, and it needs divine knowledge to know that? And no, even that pathetic attempt is wrong, clouds are not some sort of container, they ARE made up of water.

Fact 8.the First Law of Thermodynamics says “neither matter nor energy can be craeted or destroyed”The Bible says:
“The heavens and the earth were FINISHED”(Genesis 2:1)No creation or destruction of them since!

Did you forget the doomsday prophecies in your own little handbook?

Fact 9.In Genesis 6,God gave Noah the dimentions the ark.This revolutionized ship building! EVERY large ship on the high seas was inclined toward the proportions of thw Ark.

Ships need to follow some proportions to stay afloat. It's not rocket science that they use similar proportions. Wait, are you suggesting Noah's was the first ship ever?

This is not it,there are more than 50 fact's in the bible but am not going state them all,unless you want me to.

If you have the least bit of honesty, why don't you weigh all the "facts" and all their refutations and everything else that the bible gets wrong. Your so called "facts" that had to have divine intervention for humans to know are non-existent in your handbook.

[Believer21u]

Fact 1.At a time when it was believed that the earth sat on a large animal or giant(1500 B.C),it says in the bible.
“he hangs the earth upon nothing”(Job 26:7)

"Hanging/hangeth" by definition is "upon nothing", if it was on a support, you wouldn't call it hanging, would you? Also "hanging" implies it is hanging "from" something.(its say's hangs on nothing)

Fact 2.Only recently science discovered that everything is composed of things we can’t see..Atoms.The Bible says this:
“things which are seen were not made of things which do appear”(Hebrews 11:3)

Better than explaining this myself, tell me, how did you infer that sentence denotes "Atoms" and not "Molecules"? (Biblical language)

Fact 3.The bible mentions that the earth is round way before it was discovered!!
“it is he that sits up the circle of the earth”(Isaiah 40:22)

Earth is not flat or 2d and hence not a "circle", it's a "sphere".(In Hebrew translation the word is Equal to sphere,as there wasn't a Hebrew word in those days)

Fact 4.Mathew Maury found paths in the sea & the Bible mentions this
“paths of the sea”(Psalms 8:8)

So? Benjamin Franklin discovered the gulf stream and charted it before Maury was born. Those few words taken out of context can mean anything, in context, they just mean naval/oceanic travel.(It is more likely to be this)

Fact 5.it was a scientificial discovery that light can be sent and manifest itself into speech.God asked Job this in the Bible
“can you send lightnings,that they may go,and say to you,here we are?”(Job 38.35)

hmm, so I guess, the scientists being able to do so, do have the right to question God, by god's own words. Also please cite your sources where lightning can produce human speech, without the aid of any man-made technologies. (source the bible)

Fact 6.It was scientifically discovered recently that the earth is weraing out,this can be found in the Bible in the following,(Isaiah 51:6,Psalm 102:25-26, Hebreews 1:11)

Every religion has a doomsday prophecy. So?(Most religion has,but God's word does not lie)

Fact 7.Mississipi River dumps 518 billion gallons every day into the Gulf of Mexico.where does it go?The Clouds.the Bible took’s about condensation verse:
“if the clouds be full of rain,they empty themselves upon the earth.”(Ecclesiastes 11:3)

Right, and it needs divine knowledge to know that? And no, even that pathetic attempt is wrong, clouds are not some sort of container, they ARE made up of water.(In the biblical language this is exactly what it say's)

Fact 8.the First Law of Thermodynamics says “neither matter nor energy can be craeted or destroyed”The Bible says:
“The heavens and the earth were FINISHED”(Genesis 2:1)No creation or destruction of them since!

Did you forget the doomsday prophecies in your own little handbook? (No creation or destruction of them since! but in the future)

Fact 9.In Genesis 6,God gave Noah the dimentions the ark.This revolutionized ship building! EVERY large ship on the high seas was inclined toward the proportions of thw Ark.

Ships need to follow some proportions to stay afloat. It's not rocket science that they use similar proportions. Wait, are you suggesting Noah's was the first ship ever?(Yes)

This is not it,there are more than 50 fact's in the bible but am not going state them all,unless you want me to.

If you have the least bit of honesty,(I am honest,honest enough to search God) why don't you weigh all the "facts" (I did weigh them) and all their refutations and everything else that the bible gets wrong.(Prove It!) Your so called "facts" that had to have divine intervention for humans to know are non-existent in your handbook.(Not so,and this is not the end I haven't finished)

For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.Professing to be wise, they became fools,Romans 1:21 

Congratulations You have selected Hell!!

[Aoi Magi]

For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.Professing to be wise, they became fools,Romans 1:21 
Congratulations You have selected Hell!!

Congratulations You have failed at your job and have selected Hell!!

[Cyberman]

... yeah, this is a Poe alright. Just one more thing will confirm it.

[Believer21u]

For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.Professing to be wise, they became fools,Romans 1:21 
Congratulations You have selected Hell!!

I haven't failed,since I trust In god but it you who is danger,if you will not believe you will not be saved.

[Cyberman]

And if you don't believe in Santa, you'll only get coal for xmas.

[Whateverist]

For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.Professing to be wise, they became fools,Romans 1:21 
Congratulations You have selected Hell!!

No fair!  I wanted hell.  Better not have given him my seat, dammit.  It is kind of cute the way you wave your personal nightmare around as if it should have the same effect on us that it obviously does on you.  Hell - the omni-stick!