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There are no good theistic arguments though, they're all fallacious. I mean, William Lane Craig may be a good debater but only because he's a specious cunt. It's all fallacious bull.
Obviously Sam Harris thrases him when he totally ignores throughout the whole debate Sam Harris' point that there's both epistemological and ontological definitions of objective, and all William Lane bangs on about is the ontological definition, what a prick, side tracking with Red Herring's and Strawmen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq1QjXe3IYQ
And the Edited version minus the William Lane bullshit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8FRqMK8OOY
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Detester, y u trollin'?
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(October 3, 2015 at 9:41 am)Thedetester Wrote:
God can "un-fix" if he want's to but has freely chosen not to.
What's to stop him from "freely" choosing to change them, after all? Are you saying god is your bi*ch? He made his choice and now he's stuck with it - because you said so?
You're blaspheming without even knowing it, you poor, deluded, hell-bound heretic...
If god smites your a** some time soon - you'll know why. It's for speaking about things you have no way of knowing, or understanding...
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
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October 3, 2015 at 3:04 pm
I just realized on the thumbnail of the first video I posted, the guy sitting down looks like Robert De Niro.
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Here are some archaeology findings!
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Records the earliest known Egyptian military campaigns in Sinai and the Levant.
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Records the earliest known Egyptian military campaign in Retjenu, including Sekmem (s-k-m-m, thought to be Shechem).
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Records the earliest certain cuneiform reference to Canaan
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While alternative translations have been put forward, the majority of biblical archeologists translate a set of hieroglyphs on Line 27 as "Israel", such that it represents the first documented instance of the name Israel in the historical record, and the only record in Ancient Egypt.
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Records the conquests and military campaigns in c.925 BCE of Shoshenq I, of the Twenty-second Dynasty, identified with the biblical Shishaq. Towns identified include Rafah (rph), Megiddo (mkdi) and Ajalon (iywrn)
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Describing the victories of Moabite king Mesha over the House of Omri (interpreted to mean the Kingdom of Israel (Samaria)). Possible reference to the House of David; also mentions Yahweh, Bezer and others. One of the only two known artifacts containing the "Moabite" dialect of Canaanite languages (the second is the El-Kerak Inscription)
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The description contains the name "A-ha-ab-bu Sir-ila-a-a" which was proposed to be a reference to Ahab of Israel. Although scholars have disputed the translation, it is significant as the only possible known reference to the term "Israel" in Assyrian and Babylonian records.
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Contains what is thought to be the earliest known picture of a biblical figure: possibly Jehu son Omri ( mIa-ú-a mar mHu-um-ri-i), or Jehu's ambassador, kneeling at the feet of Shalmaneser III.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ar..._Stele.jpg
Records Adad-Nirari III's Assyrian campaign to Pa-la-áš-tu
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Inscription claimed by a number of scholars to contain the phrase House of David.
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Describes Adad-nirari III's early Assyrian conquests in Palastu, Tyre, Sidon, Edom and Humri (the latter understood as the Kingdom of Israel (Samaria)).
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Describes Tiglath-Pileser III's (745 to 727 BCE) campaigns to the region, including the first known archeological reference to Judah (Yaudaya or KUR.ia-ú-da-a-a).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ar...iloach.jpg
Records the construction of Siloam tunnel
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Portion of the Sennacherib relief, which depicts captives from Judah being led into captivity after the Siege of Lachish in 701 BC
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c.2,000 stamp impressions, translated as "belonging to the King"
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Describes the Assyrian king Sennacherib's siege of Jerusalem in 701 BCE during the reign of king Hezekiah.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ar...ar_bm1.jpg
Describes Belshazzar (Balthazar) as Nabonidus' eldest son
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ar...iption.jpg
Believed to be an inscription from Herod's Temple, warning foreigners ("allogenh") to refrain from entering the Temple enclosure
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ar..._place.jpg
Believed to be a directional sign for the priests who blew a trumpet, consistent with an account in Josephus
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Soddom and gommorah
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Soddom and gommorah
http://www.accuracyingenesis.com/bgw1.jpg
Soddom and gommorah
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Church of sardis
http://www.biblestudy.org/biblepic/ruins...-minor.jpg
ephesian church
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ephesian church
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagen...n18_04.jpg
church of Pergamos
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King davids palace
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King davids palace
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Solomons walls
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Church of ladocia
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The tree that Zacchaeus climbed in the bible
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Mount sinai mountain moses climbed in suadi arabia
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Mount sinai moses climbed suadi arabia
suadi arabia
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Mount sinai moses climbed suadi arabia
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Shroud of turin,that covered jesus’s body
http://www.christusrex.org/www1/citta/B-Sepulcrum.jpg
Saint Peter's tomb
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_of_Galilee
Sea of Galilee
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SAINT BARTHOLOMEW
http://www.sacred-destinations.com/italy...s/xti_6637
st Andrew apostle tomb
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Dead Sea Scrolls
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Enuma Elish—This is the Babylonian Creation Record. We also have the Ebla Creation Tablet. The Bible record is clearly superior to this as the Enuma Elish has creation from pre-existing matter, which really isn’t creation at all. The Bible is the true account of this historical event.
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The Epic of Gilgamesh includes the Babylonian Flood Story. Again, the biblical record is greatly superior. As Nozomi Osanai wrote in her master’s thesis on a comparison between Noah’s Flood and the Gilgamish Epic, “According to the specifics, scientific reliability, internal consistency, the correspondence to the secular records, and the existence of common elements among the flood traditions around the world, the Genesis account seems to be more acceptable as an accurate historical record.” 1
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1. Long-living Kings at Kish (Sumer)—These kings supposedly lived from 10,000 to 64,000 years ago. The Bible’s record is conservative and is the true account, while the Babylonian and other traditions have been embellished over time. It was later realized that the Babylonians had two bases for arithmetic calculations, based on either tens or sixties. When the records were retranslated using the system of tens rather than sixties, they came to a total within 200 years of the biblical record.
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Abraham’s home city of Ur was excavated by Sir Leonard Woolley, with surprising evidence of near-luxury.
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The customs of Patriarchal times, as described in the Bible, are endorsed by archaeological finds at such places as Ur, Mari, Boghazkoi, and Nineveh. These were written records from that day—not just put down in writing many centuries later. They bear the marks of eyewitness reporting.
Thus, Abraham’s relationship with Hagar is seen in a different light by understanding that the woman who could not personally bear a child for her husband should provide him with one of her maidservants. In the Bible record we are told that it was Sarah who made the approach to Abraham, and her maid Hagar was a willing accomplice in having Abraham’s child. Thus, she gained economic security and personal prestige. We stress it was not Abraham who made the first approach to Hagar, but Abraham’s wife Sarah did in keeping with the customs of the day.
The records of the five kings who fought against four kings (Genesis 14) are interesting, in that the names of the people concerned fit the known words and names of the times.
Abraham’s negotiations with the Hittites (Genesis 23) are accurate and follow the known forms of such Hittite transactions. Neo-Hittites came later, but there were distinct language relationships. The Bible was right in calling the earlier people “sons of Hatti” or “Hittites.”
http://www.biblearchaeology.org/image.ax...w-code.jpg
Law Code of Hammurabi (Louvre, Paris). Hammurabi, king of Babylon, began his reign in ca. 1792 BC, about a century after the death of Isaac, and ruled until 1750 BC. His famous law code was compiled toward the end of his reign. It is comprised of a prologue extolling the virtues of Hammurabi, 282 laws, and an epilogue. One of the laws indicates thattamkârum (merchants) sometimes purchased land and farmed it for profit, similar to Isaac.
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The Eshnunna Law Code dating to c.1900 BC
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1. Deities such as Baal, Asherah, and Dagan are properly identified in association with the right people.
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Archaeologists working near Luxor (the ancient Egyptian city of Thebes) recently discovered the dismantled pyramid of Khay, Ramesses II’s vizier. Officially “the First Royal Herald of the Lord of the two lands,” Khay served as the vizier of Upper and Lower Egypt under Ramesses (known as Ramesses the Great) for 15 years during the prosperous XIXth dynasty. His original 13th-century B.C.E. mudbrick pyramid stood nearly 50 feet tall, though it was partially dismantled and turned into a Coptic hermitage in the seventh-eighth centuries C.E. While the pyramid is a new discovery, the vizier is well known. The Egyptian Museum in Cairo features two statues of Khay, and ancient documents record his exploits overseeing the construction of royal tombs in the nearby Valley of the Kings and Valley of the Queens.
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Satellite Images Confirm ISIS Destruction of Temple of Bel and Other Monuments in Palmyra
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According to the Bible, the Israelites stayed at a place called Kadesh following their Exodus from Egypt and wanderings through the desert. Kadesh—also called Kadesh-Barnea in some Biblical passages1—was where Moses’ sister Miriam died and was buried (Numbers 20:1) and from where Moses sent 12 men to spy out the Promised Land (Numbers 13:26).
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The Cave of Elijah the Prophet
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A “Jesus Hideout” in Jordan
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Hebrew Inscription Provides Oldest Archaeological Evidence of Jews in Iberia
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An ongoing excavation in Israel has uncovered new evidence of an ancient city buried beneath the King Solomon-era metropolis of Gezer.
An international group of archaeologists has been working together for several years on the dig, located between modern-day Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, according to a statement released by the Israel antiquities Authority (IAA). An important historical city in its own right, Gezer is mentioned in both the Old Testament and in Egyptian historical accounts as a stop on the highway connecting ancient Egypt and Mesopotami.
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Israeli archaeologists have discovered a 2,700-year-old seal that bears the inscription "Bethlehem," the Israel Antiquities Authority announced Wednesday, in what experts believe to be the oldest artifact with the name of Jesus' traditional birthplace.
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he Mesha Stele (also known as the "Moabite Stone") is a stele (inscribed stone) set up around 840 BCE by King Mesha of Moab (a kingdom located in modern Jordan). Mesha tells how Kemosh, the God of Moab, had been angry with his people and had allowed them to be subjugated to Israel, but at length Kemosh returned and assisted Mesha to throw off the yoke of Israel and restore the lands of Moab. Mesha describes his many building projects
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1. Problems about the census at the time of our Lord’s birth have been resolved by the findings of important papyrus documents. These documents were found in Egypt inside sacred, embalmed crocodiles. The documents were the Jewish priestly writings that were written immediately before, during, and just after New Testament times.
The excavators Granfell and Hunt reported that their evidence showed that this was the first census (poll tax—enrollment) that took place in the time of Quirinius. (Another inscription has shown that Quirinius was in Syria twice—first as a military leader at a time of civil unrest, and later as Governor of Syria.) The census was probably delayed in Palestine because of that civil unrest.
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Chariot part’s in the red sea,moses and israelites crossing the red sea
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Chariot part’s in the red sea,moses and israelites crossing the red sea
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Chariot part’s in the red sea,moses and israelites crossing the red sea
Quote:ThedetesterHow do you live without hope? You nearly answered that one but not to the full,
Okay
You have a wonderful plan in your family
· You have a wife and you said "she is lovely" And you think she's going stay like that for ever?
· You have a good career
· You have a good family
These are your main point,but let me say that when all these aspect's are reached,and some your aspects might fail.What will be your inner hope?
My inner hope is to live the best life possible according to my convictions. Human beings are dynamic, constantly changing perspectives, I can't plot out an exactingly detailed accounting of my aspirations and personality over the course of my life because it's extremely likely that what I hold important will change as my positions change in accordance to the world around me. I just hope that I live well, no matter what sort of person I become. I don't need an afterlife to do that, nor does the impermanence of life on Earth detract from that desire.
You think you can live happy in this world?
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October 3, 2015 at 4:23 pm
Holy shitballs batman.
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October 3, 2015 at 4:23 pm
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Quote:If creationist's can't be scientist's why are there creation scientist's with professional degrees in science?
I never said they couldn't be. Do you want to have a conversation with me, or do you want to just go through your list of questions? Because very few of those questions have actually applied to positions I hold, no doubt because they were formulated by a creationist with a severe misunderstanding of atheists.
There are creationists who are scientists, and that is not a controversial statement; smart people can be wrong too. However, it is my position that for them to be successful scientists they would need to follow the scientific method in their work, which means disregarding any notions that are not supported by the evidence; in order to do that, they could not entertain creationism within their scientific work. Good creationist scientists are atheists in the lab, because all of their creationist beliefs cannot be supported by the data, and you can see this if you look at any report or paper in which a scientist has attempted to reach a creationist conclusion; they are, uniformly, plagued with bad methodology, fudging of the data, unsupported conclusions or fallacious reasoning. There has never been a creationist paper in a peer reviewed scientific journal, because when the peers- other scientists- look through the data and try to replicate the findings, they can't, because there's nothing there to replicate.
Quote:I never said they couldn't be. Do you want to have a conversation with me, or do you want to just go through your list of questions? Because very few of those questions have actually applied to positions I hold, no doubt because they were formulated by a creationist with a severe misunderstanding of atheists.
“I never said they couldn't be” I like your honesty
What do you mean by misunderstanding of athiests?
Quote:There are creationists who are scientists, and that is not a controversial statement; smart people can be wrong too.
But it can work the other way too.
Quote: However, it is my position that for them to be successful scientists they would need to follow the scientific method in their work,
When you say “scientific” is when a creationist scientist does it how an evolution scientist,does it.
Quote:which means disregarding any notions that are not supported by the evidence;
So when you mean by evidence,is when the evolutionist scientist’s does it not when the creationist scientis does it,but thats your belief.
Quote:in order to do that, they could not entertain creationism within their scientific work.Good creationist scientists are atheists in the lab,
So here your stating that what you call “good” are athiest’s scientist’s,but that can be oppinion.
Quote:because all of their creationist beliefs cannot be supported by the data,
How do you know?What you call data might not be data to the creationist scientist’s.
Quote: and you can see this if you look at any report or paper in which a scientist has attempted to reach a creationist conclusion; they are, uniformly, plagued with bad methodology, fudging of the data, unsupported conclusions or fallacious reasoning.
Here it is simply indicating that creationist scientists are seen bad,just becuase they are creation scientist’s.
Quote: There has never been a creationist paper in a peer reviewed scientific journal, because when the peers- other scientists- look through the data and try to replicate the findings, they can't, because there's nothing there to replicate.
What you call the other scientist’s,is the “evolutionist scientis’s”,It would be too obvious that they wouldn’t see any data as the way a creationist scientist does.
Quote:If Christianity is false, then why is it popular?
False ideas have often been popular, I don't know why you're surprised about that. Before astronomy we thought the earth was flat, your bible still says that it is, and all the other bodies in the galaxy orbited it. Before medicine we thought sickness was demons, and after the advent of medicine but before germ theory we had all kinds of dumb ideas about how the body works and how to cure diseases. Just because an idea is popular doesn't mean it's true, and false ideas can easily spread when, like with christianity, the whole movement is based around forcing the idea onto children before they're old enough to think critically and threatening them about what might happen if they even think about it any less than reverently.
I could make any idea at all popular if I was allowed to start the spread of it first through violence and terrorism against those who wouldn't believe it and then, with the huge group of cowed followers I had amassed with that plan, through persistent cultural and social indoctrination against the most vulnerable members of society.
Quote: False ideas have often been popular,
True
Quote:I don't know why you're surprised about that.Before astronomy we thought the earth was flat, your bible still says that it is,and all the other bodies in the galaxy orbited it.
‘When a biblical text is interpreted outside of its historical context, it is often unconsciously interpreted in terms of the reader’s own culture, time and beliefs. This has happened more than once to Genesis 1. To avoid distorting Genesis 1 in this way, the serious exegete will insist upon placing this chapter within its own historical context. When we do this, the meaning of “earth” and “seas” in is found to be quite different from the modern western notions.In contrast to the supposed “flat earth” verses, there are numerous Scriptures that clearly indicate otherwise. The earth is described in Job 26:7 as being suspended over empty space, implying a spherical figure. This notion is further entertained in Isaiah 40:21-22, which refers to “the circle of the earth.” This is further supported by Proverbs 8:27 (NKJV), which speaks of God drawing a circle on the face of the deep. From a “bird’s-eye view” of the ocean, the horizon is seen as a circle. Such an observation indicates that where light terminates, darkness begins, describing the reality of day and night on a spherical earth. See:http://creation.com/is-the-erets-earth-flat
Quote: Before medicine we thought sickness was demons, and after the advent of medicine but before germ theory we had all kinds of dumb ideas about how the body works and how to cure diseases.
In a world tainted by sin, sickness, disease, and death will always be with us. We are fallen beings, with physical bodies prone to disease and illness. Some sickness is simply a result of the natural course of things in this world. Sickness can also be the result of a demonic attack. The Bible describes several instances when physical suffering was caused by Satan and his demons (Matthew 17:14-18; Luke 13:10-16). So, some sickness is not from God, but from Satan. Even in these instances, God is still in control. God sometimes allows sin and/or Satan to cause physical suffering. Even when sickness is not directly from God, He will still use it according to His perfect will.
Quote:Just because an idea is popular doesn't mean it's true, and false ideas can easily spread when, like with christianity, the whole movement is based around forcing the idea onto children before they're old enough to think critically and threatening them about what might happen if they even think about it any less than reverently.
But are you aware of the benefit’s that christianity can provid?
Quote:I could make any idea at all popular if I was allowed to start the spread of it first through violence and terrorism against those who wouldn't believe it and then, with the huge group of cowed followers I had amassed with that plan, through persistent cultural and social indoctrination against the most vulnerable members of society.
Do you think you have the knowlege to write up a bible if it didn’t exist?
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October 3, 2015 at 4:25 pm
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There is no such thing as a "creation scientist".
Nolite te bastardes carborundorum.
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October 3, 2015 at 4:25 pm
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Thedetester, you are so annoying it should be illegal.
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October 3, 2015 at 4:26 pm
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(October 3, 2015 at 4:23 pm)LastPoet Wrote: Holy shitballs batman.
Your ignorant and apthiestic.
(October 3, 2015 at 4:25 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: There is no such thing as a "creation scientist".
You being honest here.not
(October 3, 2015 at 4:25 pm)EvidenceVersusFaith Wrote: Thedetester, you are so annoying it should be illegal.
Your apthiestic.
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