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World's Oldest Christian Church discovered in Jordan!!
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World's Oldest Christian Church discovered in Jordan!!
"The archaeologists claim the cave dates from the period between the years 33 and 70 and that the site was both a dwelling place and a site of early Christian worship. This would mean it was used by Christians in the years immediately following the death of Jesus in Jerusalem."

This should teach those who do not believe Jesus Christ existed a little lesson! This Cave was occupied in 33 A.D. 20 years before the first Gospel recorded Jesus' life.

So, where these Gospels actually lying or telling the truth about this man who the Jews claimed was, "The Christos?"

If Jesus was not a miracle healer, and a Divine leader, then why did so many people worship him decades before the Gospels?

http://www.abcnews.go.com/International/...242&page=1
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RE: World's Oldest Christian Church discovered in Jordan!!
(December 7, 2008 at 5:01 pm)Psalm 23 Wrote: "The archaeologists claim the cave dates from the period between the years 33 and 70 and that the site was both a dwelling place and a site of early Christian worship. This would mean it was used by Christians in the years immediately following the death of Jesus in Jerusalem."

This should teach those who do not believe Jesus Christ existed a little lesson! This Cave was occupied in 33 A.D. 20 years before the first Gospel recorded Jesus' life.

So, where these Gospels actually lying or telling the truth about this man who the Jews claimed was, "The Christos?"

If Jesus was not a miracle healer, and a Divine leader, then why did so many people worship him decades before the Gospels?

http://www.abcnews.go.com/International/...242&page=1

Psalmy, this does not prove Jesus was born to a virgin, lived, died, came alive again and then disappeared into the clouds ( oh yes, after performing many " miracles " )
As to why people believe that, I dunno..beats me.
HuhA man is born to a virgin mother, lives, dies, comes alive again and then disappears into the clouds to become his Dad. How likely is that?
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RE: World's Oldest Christian Church discovered in Jordan!!
I found a four leaved clover in my backyard last night.
I always knew that one day, I would discover all the evidence I needed to prove the existence of Leprachauns. That day has finally come.
This should make you feel really silly huh? All this time doubting Leprachauns?
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RE: World's Oldest Christian Church discovered in Jordan!!
(December 7, 2008 at 5:01 pm)Psalm 23 Wrote: If Jesus was not a miracle healer, and a Divine leader, then why did so many people worship him decades before the Gospels?
Why do people follow Michael Travesser? Why do people join Scientology?

Answer: They are tricked into believing something that is a load of bullshit. Jesus' followers were no different.
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RE: World's Oldest Christian Church discovered in Jordan!!
(December 7, 2008 at 5:01 pm)Psalm 23 Wrote: "The archaeologists claim the cave dates from the period between the years 33 and 70 and that the site was both a dwelling place and a site of early Christian worship. This would mean it was used by Christians in the years immediately following the death of Jesus in Jerusalem."

This should teach those who do not believe Jesus Christ existed a little lesson! This Cave was occupied in 33 A.D. 20 years before the first Gospel recorded Jesus' life.

So, where these Gospels actually lying or telling the truth about this man who the Jews claimed was, "The Christos?"

If Jesus was not a miracle healer, and a Divine leader, then why did so many people worship him decades before the Gospels?

http://www.abcnews.go.com/International/...242&page=1

And the final two lines of the article ...

In November 2005, Israeli archaeologists made similar claims for a site at Megiddo, near the biblical Armageddon. They discovered ancient mosaics within the grounds of a prison.

There is some skepticism within the archeological community about this latest discovery as it claims to be so much older than existing Christian churches.


... don't phase you at all? It's also worth noting that many of us probably accept that Christian Gnostics worshipped much earlier, possibly even before the time of your claimed Christ, I certainly don't have a problem with that idea but, even if it were real, it doesn't validate the essential core claims of Christianity.

Kyu
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RE: World's Oldest Christian Church discovered in Jordan!!
(December 7, 2008 at 5:05 pm)bozo Wrote: Psalmy, this does not prove Jesus was born to a virgin, lived, died, came alive again and then disappeared into the clouds ( oh yes, after performing many " miracles " )
As to why people believe that, I dunno..beats me.
Did you stop and think maybe these 70 Disciples of Jesus Christ witnessed his Ressurection? From what Archaeologists have collected in this cave, they have evidence it was used by worshippers of Christ in 33 A.D.

That's why Christians had to flee into Jordan and hide in a cave, so they could escape execution by the Roman Iron hand.

This cave is slowly placing the Gospels in order. Now we know Jesus Christ was in fact worshipped in 33 A.D, just as the Gospels have described.

I think it's a safe bet to say that Jesus Christ was not a mythical character invented by the Gospels.
(December 7, 2008 at 8:28 pm)Tiberius Wrote:
(December 7, 2008 at 5:01 pm)Psalm 23 Wrote: If Jesus was not a miracle healer, and a Divine leader, then why did so many people worship him decades before the Gospels?
Why do people follow Michael Travesser? Why do people join Scientology?

Answer: They are tricked into believing something that is a load of bullshit. Jesus' followers were no different.
Because people like Michael Travesser are preaching, "The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!" He is taking Biblical verses and twisting them, and scaring people into thinking the end of the world is near.

We have evidence that Michael Travesser exists. We also have evidence people like David Koresh existed as well. But I don't think these men have any chance of 32% of the world believing they are God in the flesh. These men are cult leaders, only a very few (deranged) follow them.

What does the Bible say about "Many will come in the name of God?" I think any true Bible reader should see these verses, and steer clear of people like The Branch Dividians...etc,etc,etc..

I think the main goal of this article is to question those people who believe Jesus Christ was nothing but an invented story decades after his 'supposed' death and ressurection.
(December 8, 2008 at 8:32 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: And the final two lines of the article ...[i]In November 2005, Israeli archaeologists made similar claims for a site at Megiddo, near the biblical Armageddon. They discovered ancient mosaics within the grounds of a prison.
Yes, That is correct. They found another Christian Church with similiar seating arrangements.

Quote:There is some skepticism within the archeological community about this latest discovery as it claims to be so much older than existing Christian churches.
Yes, of course there will be anti-Christian archaeologists claiming this site is a fraud. Leading archaeologist Dr. Al-Hussan has evidence this site was used by followers of Christ in 33 A.D. Some archaeaologists believe this cave was occupied by other people earlier than the Christians in 33A.D. And no one is denying that part.

Muslim/Islamic leaders have ordered Dr. Al-Hussan to keep his mouth shut about this discovery.

Quote:... don't phase you at all? It's also worth noting that many of us probably accept that Christian Gnostics worshipped much earlier, possibly even before the time of your claimed Christ, I certainly don't have a problem with that idea but, even if it were real, it doesn't validate the essential core claims of Christianity.
This is further evidence that Jesus existed. How could these 70 Disciples in this cave be worshipping a man called, "The Christ" if he hasn't been invented yet? Tongue This cave is certainly piling on the evidence that Jesus did in fact exist in the early first century.

This paints a whole new picture on atheism.
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RE: World's Oldest Christian Church discovered in Jordan!!
(December 8, 2008 at 10:10 am)Psalm 23 Wrote: Now we know Jesus Christ was in fact worshipped in 33 A.D, just as the Gospels have described.
Erm...no we don't. Like the article says, people have claimed this sort of thing in the past and have been wrong. Why don't we wait until the true results come out before jumping to conclusions based on your faith.
Psalm 23 Wrote:Because people like Michael Travesser are preaching, "The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!" He is taking Biblical verses and twisting them, and scaring people into thinking the end of the world is near.

We have evidence that Michael Travesser exists. We also have evidence people like David Koresh existed as well. But I don't think these men have any chance of 32% of the world believing they are God in the flesh. These men are cult leaders, only a very few (deranged) follow them.

What does the Bible say about "Many will come in the name of God?" I think any true Bible reader should see these verses, and steer clear of people like The Branch Dividians...etc,etc,etc..

I think the main goal of this article is to question those people who believe Jesus Christ was nothing but an invented story decades after his 'supposed' death and ressurection.
What exactly separates Michael Travesser from Jesus Christ though? They were both people who claimed that they were the son of Gods. The only difference between them is that 2000 years ago people weren't as skeptical of claims, and were more inclined to believe on no evidence at all (the scientific method wasn't invented until a few hundred years ago). All you need to start a religion is to get a few people to believe you, and then teach their children, who in turn teach their children, etc.
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RE: World's Oldest Christian Church discovered in Jordan!!
(December 8, 2008 at 10:10 am)Psalm 23 Wrote: Because people like Michael Travesser are preaching, "The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!" He is taking Biblical verses and twisting them, and scaring people into thinking the end of the world is near.

Didn't Mr. Travesser say "I am the embodiment of God! I am divinity and humanity combined!"
And is this not almost exactly what Jesus Christ said?

People have believed many alike situations to be true, yet they have been proven wrong later on.

(Sorry if my English sucks. =/ )
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RE: World's Oldest Christian Church discovered in Jordan!!
(December 8, 2008 at 10:10 am)Psalm 23 Wrote:
(December 8, 2008 at 8:32 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: And the final two lines of the article ...[i]In November 2005, Israeli archaeologists made similar claims for a site at Megiddo, near the biblical Armageddon. They discovered ancient mosaics within the grounds of a prison.
Yes, That is correct. They found another Christian Church with similiar seating arrangements.

Let's drop that one, you doing little more than repeating what I post doesn't achieve a great deal does it?

(December 8, 2008 at 10:10 am)Psalm 23 Wrote:
(December 8, 2008 at 8:32 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: There is some skepticism within the archeological community about this latest discovery as it claims to be so much older than existing Christian churches.
Yes, of course there will be anti-Christian archaeologists claiming this site is a fraud. Leading archaeologist Dr. Al-Hussan has evidence this site was used by followers of Christ in 33 A.D. Some archaeaologists believe this cave was occupied by other people earlier than the Christians in 33A.D. And no one is denying that part.

Muslim/Islamic leaders have ordered Dr. Al-Hussan to keep his mouth shut about this discovery.

I see ... so it's a conspiracy?

(December 8, 2008 at 10:10 am)Psalm 23 Wrote:
(December 8, 2008 at 8:32 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: ... don't phase you at all? It's also worth noting that many of us probably accept that Christian Gnostics worshipped much earlier, possibly even before the time of your claimed Christ, I certainly don't have a problem with that idea but, even if it were real, it doesn't validate the essential core claims of Christianity.
This is further evidence that Jesus existed. How could these 70 Disciples in this cave be worshipping a man called, "The Christ" if he hasn't been invented yet? Tongue This cave is certainly piling on the evidence that Jesus did in fact exist in the early first century.

This paints a whole new picture on atheism.

Quite easily if your Christ was a spiritual concept and never had a physical presence which is what the Gnostics, in common with many of the mystery religions of the time, appeared to believe.

It changes atheism in no way at all especially, since you dummies can't seem to understand thi simple idea, as atheism is not a philosophy.

Kyu
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RE: World's Oldest Christian Church discovered in Jordan!!
(December 8, 2008 at 11:41 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: I see ... so it's a conspiracy?

Shock Dun dun dunnnnnnn
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