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World's Oldest Christian Church discovered in Jordan!!
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RE: World's Oldest Christian Church discovered in Jordan!!
I was going to say - 'what is an anti-christian archaeologist?'. Dun dun dunnnn indeed :p (These persecution complexes are rampant)
Atheism as a Religion
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A man also or woman that hath a Macintosh, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with used and abandoned Windows 3.1 floppy disks: their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:27
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Psalm first of all the Gnostics had already existed and their writings have been found in the caves by the Dead Sea have you ever read the dead sea scrolls?They sound alot like Christians but they predate Christianity.Alot of these religions piggy back off of each other.In the dead sea scrolls they mention the messiah etc. but he does not have a name.Its possible that some elements of the gnostics beleifs may have been incorporated with Christianity.Also just for your information there is a man out of Puerto Rico who has started a religious movement.He has convinced thousands of people that he is the anti-christ and has his followers tattooing 666 on their bodies.He has that tattoo and he also has one of a triple S which in Spanish stands for Seis,seis,seis 666.He has put a positive spin on the scriptures regarding the anti-christ and his movement is growing quickly.He calls himself the messiah and has even stated that "he does not understand why people keep looking for Jesus to return when he has already arrived" referring to himself as Jesus.That just proves that starting a religious movement is not as hard as one might think.
There is nothing people will not maintain when they are slaves to superstition

http://chatpilot-godisamyth.blogspot.com/

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(December 8, 2008 at 11:41 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Let's drop that one, you doing little more than repeating what I post doesn't achieve a great deal does it?
Yes, please drop it because Christian Churches are being uncovered all over the Middle East, and these Churches predate all of the Gospels.

Quote:I see ... so it's a conspiracy?
No, it's not a conspiracy. Islamic leaders believe this discovery contradicts the Qu'ran!

Quote:Quite easily if your Christ was a spiritual concept and never had a physical presence which is what the Gnostics, in common with many of the mystery religions of the time, appeared to believe.
This cave proved a man called 'The Christ' existed in 33 A.D.

Quote:It changes atheism in no way at all especially, since you dummies can't seem to understand thi simple idea, as atheism is not a philosophy.
This discovery puts atheism at risk of total failure. Atheists have claimed over the last several hundred years that Jesus Christ was a mythical super-hero invented by the Gospel records many decades after his death. Now we are finding caves where Jesus did have followers in 33 a.d. Long before any Gospel account.

But now archaealogists are discovering caves where Jesus Christ did in fact have followers long before the Gospels.

This cave was discovered in Jordan, by a Jordanian archaealogist, which means he is more than likely a Muslim/Islamic believer.

Why would a Muslim claim Jesus' followers fled from Jerusalem into Jordan soon after his death?

I don't know why skeptics have such a hard time swallowing their pride, and openly admitting Jesus Christ existed in the first century, and he was a well respected, and well known Jewish Rabbi that claimed to have the powers of God in him.

People, it's a proven fact that a man called, 'the Christ' existed in the first century. This is not a mythical story invented by a bunch of "delusional" men with nothing better to do than make up stories about 'super-heroes." Big Grin
(December 8, 2008 at 6:29 pm)Jason Jarred Wrote: I was going to say - 'what is an anti-christian archaeologist?'. Dun dun dunnnn indeed :p (These persecution complexes are rampant)
An anti-Christian archaealogist is someone who can claim "Jesus existed," but they don't believe the divinity part of the story.

Jesus existed, my friend.

You must face the facts sooner or later..
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(December 8, 2008 at 8:44 pm)chatpilot Wrote: Also just for your information there is a man out of Puerto Rico who has started a religious movement.He has convinced thousands of people that he is the anti-christ and has his followers tattooing 666 on their bodies.He has that tattoo and he also has one of a triple S which in Spanish stands for Seis,seis,seis 666.He has put a positive spin on the scriptures regarding the anti-christ and his movement is growing quickly.He calls himself the messiah and has even stated that "he does not understand why people keep looking for Jesus to return when he has already arrived" referring to himself as Jesus.
Stay away from this man. He is apparently very dangerous! He is claiming to be the anti-Christ and Jesus the Messiah? That is not possible. These are two totally different people.

Quote:That just proves that starting a religious movement is not as hard as one might think.
Yes, anyone with a sane mind knows this man is crazy. And he is portraying himself as the messiah and the anti-christ. Anyone with a sane logical mind knows when Jesus returns, it will be very swift. He's not coming back and hanging out for 50 years. lol.

Tell this mysterious "antichrist/jesus christ the messiah" guy out of Puerto Rico that someone in this forum bulletin board wants to chat with him for a minute. lol.

I will disprove him in 2 seconds flat.

Case dismissed.
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(December 9, 2008 at 1:14 pm)Psalm 23 Wrote: Jesus existed, my friend.

I know Jesus, he's in my Aikido class - neat guy.
Atheism as a Religion
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A man also or woman that hath a Macintosh, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with used and abandoned Windows 3.1 floppy disks: their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:27
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There is no proof of the existence of Jesus none whatsoever and these caves do nothing to atheism.Not all atheists deny the existence of a man named Jesus Christ or the Christ what many of my fellow atheists deny is the miraculous aspects of his ministry,birth,life,death,and ressurrection.

Regarding that false prophet I mentioned out of Puerto Rico,I was not claiming a belief in him by posting that.I was simply pointing out that anyone could found a religion especially an off shoot of Christianity by twisting the bible and it's teachings out of context etc.

I personally do not believe in the existence of Christ since his entire name is not even a name but a title http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_and_t...Testamente For all we know this Christ could have been named Sally but we would never know by going by the scriptures since his real name is never revealed.
Thus putting our friend Christ back in the myth section of your local book store or library.The fact that the scriptures did not come together till about 50 or 60 years after (Mark being the oldest extant account of his life) his alleged crucifixion and that there exist no records of his trial in Roman history are pretty much conclusive that he is a myth.

Christianity is an offshoot of Roman sun worship and some more ancient religions that predated it by in some cases hundreds of years.In fact,all Christian major holidays are derived from ancient mythology as well.And lets not forget that none of the so called authors of the N.T. were first hand eyewitnesses to the existence of Christ or even knew him when he supposedly walked the earth.The only person that turned Christ into this man God was Paul in his writings and he is the true founder of Christianity as we know it today.Take some time to read the 4 gospels in the N.T. and focus on the death of Jesus,his resurrection,and his so called post death appearances.All of the gospels blatantly contradict each other regarding Jesus last words as he hung on the cross,who met him at the tomb when he rose from the dead first etc.
Psalm,trust me I can sit here and quote scriptures with the best of them but honestly it's alot of work and it's quite boring after awhile.I have been arguing these same issues with Christians for years and there are times when doing all the research and putting it there for you is just useless.If Christians want to know the truth they have to read their bibles objectively without religious bias and then open their eyes to the lies and the contradictions that have been there for so long.Faith tends to blind people to anything that contradicts what they believe to be true.Do the research on your own with an open mind and you cant help but not believe that the bible is nothing more than myths and oral traditions.
There is nothing people will not maintain when they are slaves to superstition

http://chatpilot-godisamyth.blogspot.com/

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(December 9, 2008 at 1:14 pm)Psalm 23 Wrote: This cave proved a man called 'The Christ' existed in 33 A.D.
Evidently you do not know the difference between "evidence" and "proof". I suggest you look it up before you continue. It's evidence a man called "The Christ" existed in 33 A.D, but that evidence has all sorts of things that need to be researched. They are not even 100% certain the dating is accurate for FSM's sake! "The Christ" is a very ambiguous title, and it doesn't necessarily refer to Jesus. These are questions that need answering before you can go off on a tangent saying this somehow "proves" Jesus.

Quote:This discovery puts atheism at risk of total failure. Atheists have claimed over the last several hundred years that Jesus Christ was a mythical super-hero invented by the Gospel records many decades after his death. Now we are finding caves where Jesus did have followers in 33 a.d. Long before any Gospel account.
What atheists claim and what atheism is are completely different matters. Atheism has existed longer than any religion. The only way atheism can ever fail is if you can prove 100% empirically that a God exists. It is no consolation if a man called Jesus turns out to have existed, because unless you can prove that what was written about him was what actually happened, atheism still holds.
Quote:People, it's a proven fact that a man called, 'the Christ' existed in the first century. This is not a mythical story invented by a bunch of "delusional" men with nothing better to do than make up stories about 'super-heroes." Big Grin
Do you have any facts to back up your assertion that a man called "the Christ" existed in the first century?
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(December 9, 2008 at 10:25 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Evidently you do not know the difference between "evidence" and "proof". I suggest you look it up before you continue. It's evidence a man called "The Christ" existed in 33 A.D, but that evidence has all sorts of things that need to be researched. They are not even 100% certain the dating is accurate for FSM's sake! "The Christ" is a very ambiguous title, and it doesn't necessarily refer to Jesus. These are questions that need answering before you can go off on a tangent saying this somehow "proves" Jesus.
Apparently you didn't read the news release from Dr. Al-Hassan. "We have "EVIDENCE" to believe this cave was used by the followers of CHRIST." Read it again, and do not respond until you do.

Quote:What atheists claim and what atheism is are completely different matters. Atheism has existed longer than any religion. The only way atheism can ever fail is if you can prove 100% empirically that a God exists. It is no consolation if a man called Jesus turns out to have existed, because unless you can prove that what was written about him was what actually happened, atheism still holds.
I have met thousands of atheists that have made statements that 'JESUS DID NOT EXIST BECAUSE HE WAS INVENTED BY THE GOSPELS DECADES AFTER HE SUPPOSEDLY LIVED." Atheists come right out and admit Jesus didn't exist, but now we know that is sheer and total nonsense because we are discovering caves where Jesus' followers worshipped him long before the N.T was written.

Quote:Do you have any facts to back up your assertion that a man called "the Christ" existed in the first century?
Dr. Al-Hassan the Jordanian archaeologist has the evidence. Evidence that Jesus existed has been discovered. Now, round two, proving he performed miracles.

It's all coming together before the end of days.
The bible says, "They will be without excuse".

That means you!
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lolSmile
There is a GARGANTUAN difference between just the possibility that some bloke existed. And the supernatural, God and miracles being involved.
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(December 11, 2008 at 10:25 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: lolSmile
There is a GARGANTUAN difference between just the possibility that some bloke existed. And the supernatural, God and miracles being involved.
Not really, we can rely on ancient documents from historians for proof of an event taking place. I will research my favorites folder for, "External sources on Jesus Christ."
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