Are you okay with your (or your partner's) vajayjay?

[Edwardo Piet]

Whence the source of your anger? Is it really so impossible that you have some undiscovered homophobia in your heart, something which is not your fault because it is undiscovered, and which was implanted there without your awareness by the culture that says to fear our fellow man? But rather than stop and wonder, "do i  have such ideas?", you chose to lash out at me.

You're being pushy with me. How clear do I have to make it or spell it out to you?

No, it's not impossible but i'm not a homophobe. But also - you do seem awfully obsessed with the idea of me being homopbobic. Ever heard of psychological projection?

The fact that you felt the need to deflect with the stuff about not being attracted to men (I am also not attracted to men) as a way of dodging the question of whether or not you feel in your heart that the sex act of dick-sucking is itself a degrading and/or disguting thing to do, indicates to me that there's more going on beneath the surface.

I never said it was disgusting. I said I would find the act disgusting because I am straight and therefore it wouldn't be consensual. Honestly you are so distrustful.

If you want me to be pedantic and petty like you are, being repulsed by any sex act when experienced yourself regardless of sex is NOT homophobia. Homophobia is a form of anti-gay bigotry. Get a damn dictionary.

as a straight man I love sucking female tits but would it make me a homophobe if I didn't? You're making as much sense if you actually let me re-clarify myself.

  If there was nothing else going on, then you would have found it easy to just say, "Yeah I guess there's absolutely no problem with it. Not gross. Just not something I feel compelled to do."

I've already clarified that repeatedly and yet you push and push. If you cannot even let your 'opponent' in a debate re-clarify their position then you don't know how to debate.

You're pretty much just preaching to the choir and being pedantic and annoying and pushy and as you do it.

Again, I don't think you're a homophobe.

Then what a waste of time and energy and you did really upset me and I said I was sensitive. Thanks for that. Friends? Or are you still going to push back at me? Please stop, please drop your pride and just stop. Please.

Please just be my friend you're giving me a headache.

[TheRocketSurgeon]

Per your request, I have deleted what I wrote, before.

[MTL]

I posted a great long bit about tribadism and no one has said a word about it.

[Edwardo Piet]

I'm not sure how many times I'll have to say that I don't think you're "a homophobe" before it is comprehended.

One time. And I replied to it in my previous post.

And yes, despite growing up in theatre (mother is a theatre professor) and thus being around open homosexuals from the earliest age I can remember, despite volunteering for HIV/AIDS charities and supporting that community literally my entire adult life, and having roughly half my circle of friends be homosexuals... yeah... I don't know what it means.

You figured me out!

You don't need to prove you're not a homophobe... and neither do I, but seen as you suggested I was one I got upset. I told you it was irrational of me for being so sensitive but I reclarified my position and still you pushed it at me. I don't like being associated with the bigots I despise. 

Homophobia is very simple: "homo" = same (as in same-sex) and "phobos" = fear (often used in context of hate or loathing). Thus, homophobia is any feelings of fear toward same-sex attractions, or those who act upon them, or the act itself.

Actually you can't just use etymology to define everything, language is more complicated than that and meanings change.

But yeah your etymological definition is correct etymologically.

If I tell someone they may have unexamined racist feelings, based on the phrasing of something they said, and they explode at me with a torrent of "maybe YOU'RE the racist!!" and similar expressions of anger, it suggests that they may be frightened at what they would find if they looked inside their own heart.

I didn't explode at you, and I'm not even angry just a little pissed off because I had to re-explain myself over and over and I feel you're like talking to a brick wall. You're the one being dramatic and sending me huge posts on why I might be homophobic because I by definition don't enjoy sucking dick as a straight guy (so far, I'm totally open to the possibility of being bisexual in future). Big pushy pedantic posts.... I'm not the dramatic one here, I tried to sensitively explain why I was sensitive and irrational and explain my position. Please let me breathe.

Listen, I haven't got the energy for this pointless debate based on the most tenuous ridiculous non-existent evidence despite a re clarified position making the evidence not just tenuous and close to zero but zero. I've been here on these forums since the beginning off and on - I used to be here for serious debate but now I'm here for lighthearted fun. I'm fine to give serious answers but I don't appreciate having to try so damn hard to clarify what I see as an essentially extremely simple position. Exhausting bullshit like this is one of the reasons I stopped posting so regularly.

[KUSA]

I will say this, though:

a lot of what you mention is stuff women are self-conscious about.

Women are now paying for plastic surgery to have their labia reduced in size.

I've seen the before and after and I cried. I love the natural unique asymmetrical shape of a beefy outer labia.

Some women with large clits are very embarrassed by them.

Some men avoid even a small clitoris, since it is the part on a female that corresponds to the penis of a male,
and they feel "gay" if they pay it too much attention, or something;

so some women feel ashamed of their clitoris or wanting attention paid to it,
since it is apparently deemed by their male partners as being an "unfeminine" characteristic.

As long as it doesn't have balls hanging under it then it's not gay. [emoji38]

Hell I'd love it if a woman had a 3 inch clit even if it looked like a pecker. It's more to play with.

As to scent, obviously it is one of the things women are most self-conscious about,
and the feminine hygiene industry has done everything it can to increase this self-consciousness and exploit it.

I've read some blogs and comments from men, online, over the years,
and from what I've seen, the general sentiment amongst men
seems to be the EXACT OPPOSITE of what women think it is.

Women think they're either supposed to have no scent whatsoever,
or smell like a bouquet of roses.

I've heard men complain about women with no scent, however;

and I've heard some men get downright annoyed, or even completely turned-off,
when a woman smells artificially of flowers or baby powder or something.

I love the natural smell of a woman's crotch. I've been known to pick up panties and sniff. That may sound perverted and my wife hates it when I pick her panties up and smell them but I like it.

I have smelled some crotch that was rotten before but it's because the woman was just nasty to begin with. There is a difference in a twangy smelling pus and a foul body odor road kill cunt.

[Catholic_Lady]

Evie, there's absolutely nothing wrong or homophobic with being a straight man who is grossed out by the thought of yourself having sex with another man. You seem to be getting defensive and trying to excuse your position on this. You don't have to. There is nothing wrong whatsoever with your position.

[Edwardo Piet]

I didn't even use the word gross, I said I would find it "ew" to put a penis in my mouth. And I would because it wouldn't be something I would want to do. Which would mean it would be forced. The same would apply to females but we were discussing penises.

[MTL]

Women are now paying for plastic surgery to have their labia reduced in size.

I've seen the before and after and I cried. I love the natural unique asymmetrical shape of a beefy outer labia.  

As to scent, obviously it is one of the things women are most self-conscious about

I love the natural smell of a woman's crotch. I've been known to pick up panties and sniff. That may sound perverted and my wife hates it when I pick her panties up and smell them but I like it.

I have smelled some crotch that was rotten before but it's because the woman was just nasty to begin with. There is a difference in a twangy smelling pus and a foul body odor road kill cunt.

Well, I guess I asked, didn't I?  lol

Thanks for replying with such jarring clarity.  lol

[Whateverist]

I posted a great long bit about tribadism and no one has said a word about it.

Not in this thread, right?  I missed it. (Had to look it up. Scissoring would have gotten more attention.)

[Catholic_Lady]

I just don't want us to get to the point where we are soooo overly sensitive that it becomes politically incorrect or homophobic to say we are grossed out at the prospect of having sex with someone of the same gender if we are straight.