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Sin & Forgiveness
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The teaching of karma is not for this purpose. The teaching of karma is to encourage people to refrain from harming rather than for the purpose of condemning victims. I talk about punishment because I'm generally a good natured person (but you wouldn't know that). I hate injustice.
"No one saves us but ourselves. No one can and no one may. We ourselves must walk the path" - Gautama Buddha
RE: Sin & Forgiveness
October 27, 2015 at 8:59 am
(This post was last modified: October 27, 2015 at 9:07 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Buddhist feels uncomfortable with the consequences of his belief, buddhist declares that his beliefs are, thusly, "not for that purpose". Okay...if the belief isn't for that purpose....perhaps you should cease to use that belief, for that purpose?
I'm surprised that you chose to leverage any of this in order to lead a good life. It seems to me like you're the one making buddhism better, not the other way round. : shrugs : Do you think that generally good natured people invent rape magic in order to satisfy a desire for punishment that will extend beyond a persons death? Do you think that generally good natured people would call any of that justice? To me, being made to be born poor, starving, raped, and diseased is the very opposite of justice. I can;t see an ounce of it in there. Seems to me, like karma would be something you'd be opposed to...if you hate injustice. But hey, I may not be a good natured person so my opinion on the matter may not be representative, lol. I keep asking you how many dogs I'd have to kick, you've declined to answer. I have a sneaking suspicion that you realize just as well as I do that you're not discussing a moral life, you're not discussing justice.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Sin & Forgiveness
October 27, 2015 at 9:13 am
(This post was last modified: October 27, 2015 at 9:28 am by miaharun.)
Invention is only to your eyes sir. I didn't invent the magic your talking about. Everybody doesn't get raped. Why only some people get raped. Out of 7 billion people why only a handful get raped ? Your very wrong about "satisfy a desire for punishment" . No one will take satisfaction when a girl was raped. Thinking it was her past doings. This is what you need to be cleared of. It is merely to explain as to why it had to happen to that particular girl out of so many people around the world. I, we I don't think anyone is satisfied with that thought that it's a good thing that happened to the victim. I hope you understand that.
' Wrote:I keep asking you how many dogs I'd have to kick, you've declined to answer. I have a sneaking suspicion that you realize just as well as I do that you're not discussing a moral life, you're not discussing justice. I tend to assume that kicking a dog will be a bad deed in your books. It's not about how many dogs you'd have to kick to achieve something. What ever you do , any action will have a reaction. Again that's in my books. I live by the dhamma but I don't force it down anyone s mouth. I will never threaten anyone with it. I just tried to explain (with epic fail) [emoji4] EDIT : Maybe someone much more knowledgeable will be able to provide better explanations.
"No one saves us but ourselves. No one can and no one may. We ourselves must walk the path" - Gautama Buddha
RE: Sin & Forgiveness
October 27, 2015 at 9:26 am
(This post was last modified: October 27, 2015 at 9:43 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 27, 2015 at 9:13 am)miaharun Wrote: Invention is only to your eyes sir. I didn't invent the magic your talking about. Everybody doesn't get raped. Why only some people get raped.Because those are the people that the rapists...you know...raped. Or magic, because they deserved it. Quote:...Out of 7 billion people why only a handful get raped ?Because there are fewer than 7 billion rapists...and they can't get to all of us? Or, magic....because that handful deserved it. Quote:Your very wrong about "satisfy a desire for punishment" . No one will take satisfaction when a girl was raped. Thinking it was her past doings. This is what you need to be cleared of. It is merely to explain as to why it had to happen to that particular girl out of so many people around the world. I, we I don't think anyone is satisfied with that thought that it's a good thing that happened to the victim. I hope you understand that.I may be wrong, convince me. What you've described here is the very definition of satisfaction being taken. Every time you post, my opinion of your moral practices and beliefs becomes less and less generous. Quote:I tend to assume that kicking a dog will be a bad deed in your books. It's not about how many dogs you'd have to kick to achieve something. What ever you do , any action will have a reaction.And assuming that's true...there's a number "x" of dogs I'd have to kick to get myself raped, or starved, or impoverished, or infected. I'm sure karma has others tools..but these are those tools you've deigned to mention......you see justice in this, somewhere, lol. I'm just looking for specifics. Please, stop conflating cause and effect with karma. They are not the same thing, as you've described them. If you would like to insist that cause and effect exists be my guest, but if you insist that karma exists you will have to address karma...not cause and effect. Do you understand this? As an example, if I were to tell you that the god Aten exists...and then point at the sun as evidence - you'd probably realize how inept this type of claim actually is. Point of fact, we can often see the glaring inconsistencies of others beliefs even past or through the glaring inconsistencies of our own, which we do not see. As was the case in your OP, and as has been the case since, with every subsequent post. You say you don;t understand their beliefs. I think you do. I think you do, and I've been watching you defend your own beliefs along that periphery in the same manner and for the same reasons that they defend theirs. It would be massively amusing (to me), if you managed to do all of this - without realizing that. Any christian could tell you, as you've told me...when faced with what they might see as uncomfortable consequences of belief (say, a serial killer keeps confessing/and or asking for forgiveness) - that this...is not...the purpose...of that belief.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Sin & Forgiveness
October 27, 2015 at 9:46 am
(This post was last modified: October 27, 2015 at 9:52 am by miaharun.)
First of all I hope I won't get banned. Sorry I apologize. I shouldn't have used the word "satisfaction" I should have used "happy about it". Hope it makes little more sense. No one will be happy about a girl getting raped. Like you have your reasons as to why she is raped I have mine. Yes they contradict each other. Like you and me typing this in different parts of the world. But sir. Surely I'll never be happy that a girl got raped due to "x" reason. I like anyone else feels sorry for the girl and anger towards the rapist. If you ask me the underlying cause I would explain it to you as their karma which they have brought with them.
Cause & effect and karma might not be the same in the English language , however both have very close meanings. They don't contradict each other like - +. Only cause and effect is bound to this physical world. I have told you once that I don't know what will happen to me when I die. I might go to heaven, hell, reborn or just cease to exist. If I was sitting on my beliefs i wouldn't have made that claim. Since you asked about karma only I tried my best to explain. I'm always open to new evidence. Which is why I joined this forum for discussion. I could have joined a Buddhist forum to get favorable responses but I didn't.
"No one saves us but ourselves. No one can and no one may. We ourselves must walk the path" - Gautama Buddha
RE: Sin & Forgiveness
October 27, 2015 at 10:02 am
(This post was last modified: October 27, 2015 at 10:05 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 27, 2015 at 9:46 am)miaharun Wrote: First of all I hope I won't get banned. Sorry I apologize. I shouldn't have used the word "satisfaction" I should have used "happy about it". Hope it makes little more sense. No one will be happy about a girl getting raped. Like you have your reasons as to why she is raped I have mine. Yes they contradict each other. Like you and me typing this in different parts of the world. But sir. Surely I'll never be happy that a girl got raped due to "x" reason.She deserved it, right? Where would the justice be if she escaped what she deserved? Shall I quote you? Quote:I like anyone else feels sorry for the girl and anger towards the rapist. If you ask me the underlying cause I would explain it to you as their karma which they have brought with them.Right, so, she deserved it. Would you be happy if people escaped what they deserved? Quote:Cause & effect and karma might not be the same in the English language , however both have very close meanings. They don't contradict each other like - +. Only cause and effect is bound to this physical world.They don't seem to have even -remotely- similar meanings. Cause and effect is not a moral normative statement or mechanism. Karma is. Quote:I have told you once that I don't know what will happen to me when I die. I might go to heaven, hell, reborn or just cease to exist. If I was sitting on my beliefs i wouldn't have made that claim. Since you asked about karma only I tried my best to explain. I'm always open to new evidence. Which is why I joined this forum for discussion. I could have joined a Buddhist forum to get favorable responses but I didn't.I assume that you -must- be open to new evidence, since any evidence of karma would be new to you. Here again we see an example of why I think that you ought to understand christians just fine. After all...they're open to any new evidence that there god doesn't exist as well..lol. *kudos, btw, on putting your innermost through the fire, so to speak. It's difficult to share that sort of thing no matter what it is. I respect you enough not to softball you, wasting the courage it took to share.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
I'm really happy I joined this forum. I have a lot of interesting insights in this thread as well as the others.
"No one saves us but ourselves. No one can and no one may. We ourselves must walk the path" - Gautama Buddha
 (October 27, 2015 at 10:18 am)miaharun Wrote: I'm really happy I joined this forum. I have a lot of interesting insights in this thread as well as the others. Welcome to the forum
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