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October 27, 2015 at 10:17 pm
-and you would be wrong. It's a rapist catching up to you....
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October 27, 2015 at 11:20 pm
Everyone's an expert on their religion.
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October 28, 2015 at 4:22 am
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(October 27, 2015 at 10:18 am)miaharun Wrote: I'm really happy I joined this forum. I have a lot of interesting insights in this thread as well as the others.
I'm glad you joined too  You're not going to get banned for making statements of belief we may find unpalatable, whether you meant to say them or not. If we had that rule, this really would be "atheist forums" pretty quickly  And even then, only a subset of atheists. I've found this to be an amazingly open forum where difficult subjects can be properly discussed without censorship.
I still have a bug where I can't edit other people's posts. I keep trying to put inappropriate smilies into their serious messages, and I get some bullshit error about access rights or something. Why am I being censored? 
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November 14, 2015 at 5:17 pm
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(October 25, 2015 at 7:22 am)miaharun Wrote: Hi All, I just want to shoot this question. In Christianity or any God fearing religion your forgiven for your sins. How can that be justified with ones conscious. Let alone a Devine entity. Say for instance someone commits a murder for any reason. How can anything forgive you for that under any circumstances. People will always take the easy way out or do the wrong thing just because there is the comfort of forgiveness. I am a practicing Buddhist and I believe in Karma. There should not be any escape from that. Most of my friends who believe in God has told me they have been forgiven for the sins that they have done. I find that ridiculous and how gullible people can be. Some sins go to the very extreme. Not things like lying, stealing etc.
What are your thoughts.
You have to actually be sorry. You can't just say "sorry God" and think that will do anything. It's what's in the heart that matters. If your heart is still in a dark place, you are too. But yes, people can change. A person can do something heinous like commit murder but come to feel fully remorseful and change. Your friends might have a simplistic view of forgiveness, or they just failed to fully explain what it means.
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RE: Sin & Forgiveness
November 14, 2015 at 5:53 pm
(October 27, 2015 at 5:34 am)miaharun Wrote: 5. Consuming drinks or drugs is wrong.
Why is it wrong?
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November 14, 2015 at 6:31 pm
(November 14, 2015 at 5:53 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: (October 27, 2015 at 5:34 am)miaharun Wrote: 5. Consuming drinks or drugs is wrong.
Why is it wrong?
Ditto. Why is it anyone's business what I do with or to my body if I don't hurt another living being?
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November 14, 2015 at 6:31 pm
(November 14, 2015 at 5:53 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: (October 27, 2015 at 5:34 am)miaharun Wrote: 5. Consuming drinks or drugs is wrong.
Why is it wrong?
Probably because it is damaging to the body and can effect/alter a person's actions and good conscience. Not that I agree, but that's my guess as to why someone would think it's wrong.
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November 15, 2015 at 12:40 am
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(November 14, 2015 at 5:53 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: (October 27, 2015 at 5:34 am)miaharun Wrote: 5. Consuming drinks or drugs is wrong.
Why is it wrong?
It is considered wrong because you are not in your sensors under the influence of alcohol. Your careless, your not in the present world. You can easily break the other 4 precepts if your under alcohol. You may even forget you have a family at home and act with your instincts instead of the brain. If humans didn't have ability to think or be creative what will our natural instincts be ? Eat, drink and reproduce.
(November 14, 2015 at 6:31 pm)Vic Wrote: (November 14, 2015 at 5:53 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Why is it wrong?
Ditto. Why is it anyone's business what I do with or to my body if I don't hurt another living being?
Your hurting yourself. Your killing your cells, your hurting the organs in your body , once your too much intoxicated you may even hurt people or things around you. hence it is considered wrong.
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November 15, 2015 at 1:14 am
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(November 15, 2015 at 12:40 am)miaharun Wrote: Your careless, your not in the present world. You can easily break the other 4 precepts if your under alcohol. You may even forget you have a family at home and act with your instincts instead of the brain. You think that beer makes me forget I have a family? You think it makes anyone forget that? Excuse me while I laugh myself right to death. I don't see the problem with leaving "the present world"...that just helps me on the path to non-attachment, doesn't it?
Quote:Your hurting yourself. Your killing your cells, your hurting the organs in your body , once your too much intoxicated you may even hurt people or things around you. hence it is considered wrong.
Breathing oxygen hurts organs and kills cells too. Got any advice regarding the moral dangers of breathing? Is the above what passes for buddhist "wisdom"? Sounds like a bunch of teetotalling busybodies to me.
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November 15, 2015 at 1:40 am
Good sir breathing is something you can't control :-)
People don't drink for the taste. When they drink alone it is in order to seek release from tension and when they drink socially, it is usually to conform. Even a small amount of alcohol distorts consciousness and disrupts self-awareness. Taken in large quantities, its effect can be devastating.
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