Quote: You might feel justified in saying that, but you'd be wrong.
Commonplace among "believers" in bullshit.
Biblical Christianity 101, a study of the book of Romans
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Quote: You might feel justified in saying that, but you'd be wrong. Commonplace among "believers" in bullshit. (October 30, 2015 at 3:15 pm)Irrational Wrote:(October 30, 2015 at 3:14 pm)Drich Wrote: Again no. Smith ran from persecution. To be persecuted is to remain solvent, to face your oppressors, to endure as Paul did, and not run from your home in arkansas to a remote part of the country so you can brain wash unchallenged. Histroy says something different. History says he was arrested for having 8 wives when state law only allowed you to have one. Then he was shot and killed in prison with his brother by an angry mob. what incited the mob? a new paper artical that said smith was sleeping around with the wrong men wives and father several children with them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Joseph_Smith So religious persecution? Yes if polygamy and adultry are apart of your 'faith.' other wise no, no he was not persecuted for his beliefs. he always fled persectuation (October 30, 2015 at 3:22 pm)Irrational Wrote:(October 30, 2015 at 3:16 pm)Drich Wrote: Chapter 3 anyone? So... that is why they are posting youtube videos of the reliablity of the 4 gospels (non of which Paul wrote) and trying to dismiss what he wrote by compaering him to a man/men who ran from those who would challenge their beliefs? I saw this as you guys grasping for some topical objection, meaning you were out of legit things to dicsuss that is why I suggested chappter 3
The gospels don't even prove anything they are made up.
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Redbeard: indeed, I've been over that point again and again. People are desperate to drag science down to the level of theology. They do this because theology cannot be elevated above making unfalsifiable statements.
It's ridiculous because science isn't out to make it a competition, that's the constant battle cry of theology. And it needs to stop it, because it's fucking embarrassing. Actually, keep it up theology. You're doing our work for us. If anyone really thinks theology and science are comparable, they don't understand what one (or both) of those things are. Feel free to send me a private message.
Please visit my website here! It's got lots of information about atheism/theism and support for new atheists. Index of useful threads and discussions Index of my best videos Quickstart guide to the forum (October 30, 2015 at 3:38 pm)Drich Wrote:(October 30, 2015 at 3:15 pm)Irrational Wrote: Bullshit. The Mormons say he was persecuted and died for the faith. It was Paul who avoided execution. That's why nowhere in the Bible does it say he died for the faith. So when Paul (you say, since we have no actual evidence that he was executed; I've been going along with your presumption because there was no point in debating that element, until now) was eventually captured and killed, after using his status as a Roman to get out of an earlier "kangaroo court", as you put it, he wasn't "running"? It looks to me like the life of Joseph Smith, who could miraculously talk to angels and translate ancient Egyptian (which no one, then, could read), parallels nicely with that of Paul, even when the people got tired of that expanding cult and decided to do something about it: Quote:The violent deaths of the Prophet Joseph Smith at the age of thirty-eight and his brother Hyrum Smith (age forty-four), Associate President and patriarch of the Church, dramatically ended the founding period of the LDS Church. On June 27, 1844, they were mobbed and shot while confined at Carthage Jail in Hancock County, in western Illinois. Climaxing more than two decades of persecution across several states, this event gave them an enduring place as martyrs in the hearts of Latter-day Saints. (Bold emphasis my own; internal citations omitted.) Source: http://www.pbs.org/americanprophet/martyrdom.html
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love. Quote:So when Paul (you say, since we have no actual evidence that he was executed; I've been going along with your presumption because there was no point in debating that element, until now) was eventually captured and killed, after using his status as a Roman to get out of an earlier "kangaroo court", as you put it, he wasn't "running"? The peter and paul martyrdom stories have nothing to back them up. Their deaths are mentioned in 1 Clement (itself probably a second century forgery but that does not matter at the moment) but as you can see: Quote:There was Peter who by reason of unrighteous jealousy endured not one Given the lurid details of how martyrs were ripped limb from limb in later xtian fantasies these two asswipes could have died of old age for all we can tell from "Clement's" comment. (October 30, 2015 at 3:27 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I wasn't that familiar with early LDS church history, so I looked up the death of Joseph Smith. I'm sure there was persecution, but it was not all one sided, and their is reasons why Mormons where driven out of states. In any case, it seems inaccurate, to say that Smith died because he believed himself a prophet. Don't you see that similar things could be said of Paul? The difference is that we have a severe lack of information to go by when assessing the reliability of what a 2000-year-old man said about his own experiences. With Joseph Smith, we have a much clearer picture. (October 30, 2015 at 3:54 pm)dyresand Wrote: The gospels don't even prove anything they are made up. via Imgflip Meme Maker This is a study in Romans which is not apart of the 4 books of the gospel account... (October 30, 2015 at 3:27 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I wasn't that familiar with early LDS church history, so I looked up the death of Joseph Smith. I'm sure there was persecution, but it was not all one sided, and their is reasons why Mormons where driven out of states. In any case, it seems inaccurate, to say that Smith died because he believed himself a prophet. I think he did not believe himself a prophet but a rather successful conman. He made that shit up. You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid. Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis. |
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