Biblical Christianity 101, a study of the book of Romans

[Vincent]

Is it just me or does this entire thread seem to be begging the question? 



I haven't read the whole thread, but Drich seems to be relying on the assumption that everything in the Bible is the gospel truth. This is not proven and very very very unlikely. To jump to the conclusion that "Yes, it IS true, now let me explain what it's ACTUALLY saying", without even proving that it's all true in the first place, is logically fallacious.

What is the title of the thread and how does that relate to what is being discussed?

It relates very well, actually.

You start the thread saying that atheists do not have an understanding of the Bible, and you think that is part of the reason we don't believe. Now, I'll be honest: I've never read the entire Bible. I was thrown off completely by Genesis and the stupidity of it and I don't plan on finishing it or learning it's teachings. Why? Because it's a factually incorrect piece of primitive and ignorant literature. There is 0 reason to believe it because there's about a 99.9% chance that it's not the word of a god. And until you can prove it is, why should anyone here care about Paul's letters in Romans? You are trying to explain your own personal interpretation of passages of a book that you cannot provide evidence for to support its validity!

Let me put this into perspective for you. If I came up to you waiving the Bible of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and I told you that the reason you don't believe in him is because you don't "understand" what is written in the book or its teachings, I would be wrong. You could read that bible all the way through and still not believe in the FSM. You could listen to me explain every interpretation of the chapters and verses, and still you would not believe. Why? Because you just can't get over the fact that the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist, and that everything written in that book is bullshit. Me sitting down and explaining its teachings is NOT proving the existence of the FSM, but proving it is necessary before any thinking person should believe in it.

Get the picture?

[Athene]

^ I take it that you won't be A/S/King anytime soon.

[Drich]

I haven't read the whole thread, but Drich seems to be relying on the assumption that everything in the Bible is the gospel truth. This is not proven and very very very unlikely. To jump to the conclusion that "Yes, it IS true, now let me explain what it's ACTUALLY saying", without even proving that it's all true in the first place, is logically fallacious.

What is the title of the thread and how does that relate to what is being discussed?

It relates very well, actually. [/quote] I see your going to be another deep thinker... You'll fit here like a glove, welcome to AF.

All right let go through a complete walk through of what you started with, what I said and this last mess you left me.

I haven't read the whole thread, but Drich seems to be relying on the assumption that everything in the Bible is the gospel truth. This is not proven and very very very unlikely. To jump to the conclusion that "Yes, it IS true, now let me explain what it's ACTUALLY saying", without even proving that it's all true in the first place, is logically fallacious.

Side stepping the ironic "The bible is the gospel truth" comment. whether you know it or not you are loosly describing a Fallacy of false composition. This wrongly presupposes one thing.

you think that is part of the reason we don't believe.

That is why I asked you how did your objection relate to my title. My title being "Biblical Christianity 101, a study in romans"

I even open my thread with why I am doing this study, and it's not because I am concerned about the status of your belief. My study is to inform you of biblical Christianity. So how is this NOT A "logical fallacy" Because Again I am not making any claim to the status of your belief, and therefore do not have to "prove" the Whole bible to you. My efforts here center around informing you 'good people' what bible based Christians believe. Why? because you 'good people' sound like a bunch of hate filled biggots arguing in circles about what you think Christianity is all about. when in fact most of you are completely wrong./Do not have the first clue about the Christianity described in the bible. That is why I started with the book of Romans. as It contains the foundations of biblical Christianity.

You start the thread saying that atheists do not have an understanding of the Bible, and you think that is part of the reason we don't believe.

Nuupe..
I said "How can you properly hate something/God or his followers if you do not understand it?

Now, I'll be honest: I've never read the entire Bible. I was thrown off completely by Genesis and the stupidity of it and I don't plan on finishing it or learning it's teachings. Why? Because it's a factually incorrect piece of primitive and ignorant literature. There is 0 reason to believe it because there's about a 99.9% chance that it's not the word of a god

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/don't care.

And until you can prove it is, why should anyone here care about Paul's letters in Romans? You are trying to explain your own personal interpretation of passages of a book that you cannot provide evidence for to support its validity!

What I've done so far was to simply read the first two chapters and answer questions for almost 50 pages.
So you tell me, if it is as you say why is their so 'little' intrest in the first 2 chapters??

Let me put this into perspective for you. If I came up to you waiving the Bible of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and I told you that the reason you don't believe in him is because you don't "understand" what is written in the book or its teachings, I would be wrong. You could read that bible all the way through and still not believe in the FSM. You could listen to me explain every interpretation of the chapters and verses, and still you would not believe. Why? Because you just can't get over the fact that the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist, and that everything written in that book is bullshit. Me sitting down and explaining its teachings is NOT proving the existence of the FSM, but proving it is necessary before any thinking person should believe in it.

Get the picture?

I got the picture sport.. It seem your the one who is trying to make your tired old basic atheist argument Fit, what it is I am actually doing here without actually trying to put any effort in to it on your side.

What else you got?

[Drich]

^ I take it that you won't be A/S/King anytime soon.

What do you think her post addressed to me was?

[Wyrd of Gawd]

wouldve been more credible had jesus been aware of the salvation through faith in him myth

Jesus was a good Jewish boy. I don't blame him for Christianity. Of course, if he is one person of the Triune God, his not mentioning Pauline theology is a bit odd, but I don't expect credibility from the Bible.

Paul created the Jesus character in order to sell his new religion of resurrection.  Paul's disciples wrote the backstory (the Gospels) to explain who the Jesus character was supposed to have been.

[Athene]

^ I take it that you won't be A/S/King anytime soon.

What do you think her post addressed to me was?

I didn't interpret it as such, but you'd have to ask her to be sure.

[jenny1972]

God sanctifies (sets apart as holy) those who respond to his truth (John 17:17) in obedience to the gospel. One is sanctified when he is cleansed, which occurs when his faith leads him to demonstrate the death and resurrection of Christ in the washing of water (i.e., burial in water — Romans 6:3-4; Colossians 2:12) by means of the instruction of “the word” (Ephesians 5:26; 1 Corinthians 6:11). The “water” is an allusion to baptism, as virtually all scholars concede.

How can you speak of dishonesty when your still cutting up verses and misrepresenting them?

its simply due to the fact that i have absolutely no respect for those verses but even if i did have respect for the verses that paul was responsible for  why do you think im talking about dishonesty ? i think your honestly representing christian views toward homosexuality you represent the hypocritical christian who discriminates against gays even though jesus never spoke against homosexuality even though it was a widespread practice during his time and even though he spoke against many different social problems he never spoke against that .

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yes he says they are PERFECT! translations but also 10-30% inaccurate as all translations are

Ah! I get it, you do not understand the word 'perfect'. You are using it as a verb when the context I provided tells you to use it as an adjective.

ok so by "perfect" your actually meaning flawed and corrupt by 10-30% due to inevitable translation errors and thats the best that christianity can do is to be satisfied with the errors . well some people are not interested in corrupted bibles and are not even convinced that the bible that was written in greek is honest and legitimate because of pauls spin and for a variety of other reasons , to even accept the legitimacy of the very first greek bible why should anyone believe what is in that and why should we believe these people who say they witnessed and wrote down what this man called "jesus" said and taught ?

why should we believe that he was part God what evidence do you have that any part of it is the truth ? it wasnt written by an unbiased observer everything was written by followers of jesus decades after he died to the best of their memory each with their own spin , paul being the most contradictory but why would any of it have any value even in the greek language ? there are a lot of cults just because people believe something doesnt make it true .

paul wrote romans great why would anyone have any interest in something that a con man wrote ,you see its not confusion about romans its just a complete lack of interest in it due to the fact its not respected as the truth - jim jones wrote a bunch of stuff too should we go into an in depth study about his writings and have a serious discussion about them? IF jesus is God and paul is accurately writing the truth everyone is interested in knowing the truth - but first show that it is the truth and that its worth studying at all .

[Minimalist]

^ I take it that you won't be A/S/King anytime soon.

In drippy's case that is pronounced "asskissing."

[KevinM1]

"You guys don't know biblical Christianity and sound like hateful bigots!"
"Why's that?"
"Because you don't agree with my interpretation of the bible and don't treat it with the respect I demand!"

This whole thread presumes we should care about the bible. I fail to see why.

[Drich]

What do you think her post addressed to me was?

I didn't interpret it as such, but you'd have to ask her to be sure.

-Or we can simply look at the content and context of the Questions she asked, and her follow up.