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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 5:36 pm
(October 29, 2015 at 4:43 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (October 29, 2015 at 4:25 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: evolution and BB theory both indicate a complex intelligent design based on organization and not chaos ... Not until you make it so, they don't. Make your case?
Quote:when it comes to the universe i agree with Einstein 
Appealing to what, what you might see as a mutually amenable authority? Was Einstein a biologist? What's that, you say...no? Might I suggest you source your biology from a biologist?
im not sourcing Einsteins knowledge of biology but his awareness of an intelligent design to the universe in his study of physics which is the natural science that involves the study of matter and its motion through space and time and energy.
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 5:37 pm
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Except that he wasn't aware of any intelligent design to our universe. Neither are you, neither is anyone...because there doesn't appear to be one.... nor is one required.
Again, I would suggest that you get your biology from a biologist. That, in itself, won't be foolproof...but at least you won't end up in a position such as this, here on the boards.
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 5:40 pm
(October 29, 2015 at 5:36 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: im not sourcing Einsteins knowledge of biology but his awareness of an intelligent design to the universe in his study of physics which is the natural science that involves the study of matter and its motion through space and time and energy.
So basically you just want to halt your respect for science at some arbitrarily derived point in the past and ignore all future discoveries because there was a smart guy at that time that you think might give your ideas extra credibility.
You clearly don't give a shit about science, so you can drop all this "study of physics" stuff; what you care about is finding people who agree with you who seem smart. If you cared about science you'd be following the cutting edge of it, but you're content on just stopping wherever suits you best.
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 5:49 pm
(October 29, 2015 at 5:36 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: (October 29, 2015 at 4:43 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Not until you make it so, they don't. Make your case?
Appealing to what, what you might see as a mutually amenable authority? Was Einstein a biologist? What's that, you say...no? Might I suggest you source your biology from a biologist?
im not sourcing Einsteins knowledge of biology but his awareness of an intelligent design to the universe in his study of physics which is the natural science that involves the study of matter and its motion through space and time and energy.
Why don't you quote Hawking?
He is every bit as intelligent as Einstein, has a greater understanding of the universe (physics has come a long way since Einstein), and has made just as important discoveries as Einstein.
And he finds no evidence of an intelligent being in the existence of the universe.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 5:50 pm
(October 29, 2015 at 5:08 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote: (October 29, 2015 at 4:14 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: a pretty amazing feat for an unthinking explosion to create
Compared to what? Have you examined any other universes, that you know to have been created by an "unthinking explosion" and are consequently not quite as amazing? Your opinion on the level of amazement generated in your ape-brain by anything is not evidence.
I could just as easily say that it's not amazing enough, therefore there's no god - and it would be just as "valid" an observation as yours, if not more so.
yes im sure you dont think nature is amazing at all but i disagree and i think its very organized and coordinated and in my experience unthinking matter does not create complex designs but thinking beings do .
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 5:55 pm
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(October 29, 2015 at 5:50 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: yes im sure you dont think nature is amazing at all but i disagree and i think its very organized and coordinated and in my experience unthinking matter does not create complex designs but thinking beings do .
That means nothing. Your "experience" - whatever that consists of - is entirely irrelevant to what is and what isn't "designed". Just as is mine. What counts are facts and evidence. Of which you have none. Only opinions.
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 5:58 pm
(October 29, 2015 at 5:50 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: yes im sure you dont think nature is amazing at all but i disagree and i think its very organized and coordinated and in my experience unthinking matter does not create complex designs but thinking beings do .
In your experience do thinking beings create universes?
Why do you continue to just halt all your arguments at the most arbitrary, self serving points?
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 6:01 pm
(October 29, 2015 at 5:50 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: (October 29, 2015 at 5:08 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote: Compared to what? Have you examined any other universes, that you know to have been created by an "unthinking explosion" and are consequently not quite as amazing? Your opinion on the level of amazement generated in your ape-brain by anything is not evidence.
I could just as easily say that it's not amazing enough, therefore there's no god - and it would be just as "valid" an observation as yours, if not more so.
yes im sure you dont think nature is amazing at all but i disagree and i think its very organized and coordinated and in my experience unthinking matter does not create complex designs but thinking beings do .
This is what is known as an argument from ignorance.
Just because you are unable to think of how this could happen, does not mean that there aren't people that do.
You are no different than ancient people saying things like, "Well, I can't see how earthquakes could happen without a god. So that must be how they occur".
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 6:01 pm
(October 29, 2015 at 5:18 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Yes, you see the same things that we all see....but why is that relevant? Does this mean that fairies paint the dew on the tulips..and form every snowflake by hand? No. Do you think that you'd be able to determine between a random and non-random set of numbers by looking at them. Is that an ability that you think you possess? We could test this right here on the boards.
3345386758
8276578948274508
Which was designed, intentional, and which was random?
both numbers appear random and unorganized disconnected and not part of any organized system , the complete opposite of everything in existence . just observation of the obvious cooperation of nature does not take any special knowledge it only requires eyes to observe that its true .
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 29, 2015 at 6:07 pm
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(October 29, 2015 at 4:25 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: (October 29, 2015 at 4:18 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Apparently you don't understand evolution or BB theory, and so you're reduced to the Argument from Incredulity ... A/K/A argument from ignorance.
I'll pay you more attention when you merit it; until then, do educate yourself about what it is you're arguing.
I'm embarrassed for you, displaying your lack of education like this.
evolution and BB theory both indicate a complex intelligent design based on organization and not chaos ... when it comes to the universe i agree with Einstein
The things Einstein didn't know nor understand about physics fill entire libraries by now. Sticking with one authority is not a good idea, especially one that has been dead for over half a century, and did the last work of lasting scientific value even further back  .
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