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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 5:18 pm
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Would you like to challenge the claim, that evolution has been observed, and that tests have been run during the evolutionary process? Or are you reduced to babbling?
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 5:22 pm
(October 31, 2015 at 5:09 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: *sigh* He's telling you that, once you understand the mechanisms at play, like genetics and geology, you don't *need* a time machine to study it. The evidence is preserved in the genome and in the rocks.
It's the same reason we don't need to be present at a murder to prove the guy did it. We examine the crime scene. We collect DNA. We look at the body to determine the details of what happened. We collect evidence. We formulate hypotheses about what happened and run tests to prove or disprove them. We build a case and present it to others for public examination.
The difference between a trial and science is that it's just two lawyers seeking to disprove the other one's claims about what the evidence suggests, while the entire scientific community works on the evidence for evolution.
yes but in this case the crime scene is billions of years old and no longer exists but you can make assumption about how the crime scene could have been based on current testing it may or may not be completely 100% accurate at recreating what actually occured but its better than nothing
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 5:23 pm
So Jenny do you believe that the primary driving force behind evolution is fully non-random natural selection? 
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 5:24 pm
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I know...right...it's amazing, and yet evolutionary biologists managed to provide the evidence and reason that you can't, Jen. Perhaps you should try putting in the work, like they did? I recall, pages ago, you claiming that you believed in evolution..and that you weren't arguing against it. Were you lying then, or now?
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 5:26 pm
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 5:29 pm
(October 31, 2015 at 5:22 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: yes but in this case the crime scene is billions of years old and no longer exists but you can make assumption about how the crime scene could have been based on current testing it may or may not be completely 100% accurate at recreating what actually occured but its better than nothing
Except the crime scene isn't billions of years old. It's still happening, and has been happening for billions of years. Critical difference.
Yes, as parts of it are further back in time, the details are harder to get exact, but we know how the overall process works. It's also why the whole science community has to work on it, rather than just a couple of them, as in a case.
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 5:36 pm
(October 31, 2015 at 5:18 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Would you like to challenge the claim, that evolution has been observed, and that tests have been run during the evolutionary process? Or are you reduced to babbling?
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i guess its possible to observe and test some evolutionary changes that have happened recently but other than recent evolutionary changes such as the conditions that existed before scientific testing was invented of course there was no testing or observation of the vast majority of the evolutionary process
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 5:40 pm
This is the best game of neener neener ever, huh boys?
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 5:43 pm
(October 31, 2015 at 5:23 pm)Evie Wrote: So Jenny do you believe that the primary driving force behind evolution is fully non-random natural selection?
yea i dont think its random at all but its natural what do you think evie?
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 5:44 pm
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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