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(October 30, 2015 at 6:19 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Your thread could of been meaningful if you were to say "I am a leader appointed by God, what do I have to to prove it". Then we can have a discussion, because there is no doubt it's impossible for a human to be God.
What? Are you insinuating that God can't message via internet? What other reason do you have to assume that Rob is human?
Well for starter God is not a deceiver. 2nd thing is that God can message however he wants, but if he is going to do so, he will prove it with clear proofs to those who sincerely reflect and want to know the truth.
October 30, 2015 at 8:19 pm (This post was last modified: October 30, 2015 at 8:20 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
OFC god is a deceiver. That's one of his primary roles. Just ask the norse. He doesn't hand you truth, he makes you work for it.......what kind of lazy religion is it that you follow, again?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(October 30, 2015 at 8:19 pm)Rhythm Wrote: He doesn't hand you truth, he makes you work for it.......what kind of lazy religion is it that you follow, again?
I don't think truth is always handed on platter. We need to reflect still. That's one thing I come up with Quran and Islam, is that God still allows much room for reflective minds to figure things out, reflect, without spelling out everything for them in silver platter. We need to think to truly benefit from his revelation. That said those who are going to deny clear proofs, are going to deny clear miracles in front of their eyes. They may say he is a sorcerer or that he has caused a massive delusion or put it with the scientific perspective, it maybe aliens of an advanced technology. This is why Quran says in reality miracles are just to cause fear, to cause you to seriously reflect the issue and not deny with haste. The people are in great fear it is the truth, but they arrogantly go against what seems to be the truth to them. Rather then think about what seems to be the truth, and humbly ask, how else can you make us more convinced, but we don't deny you, they deny them out of arrogance.
That said, the dark forces try to keep people from reflecting about the Quran as it ought to be reflected. Where people to reflect it as ought to be reflected, then way be continuously risen heights, and continuously be opened doors through it.
That and the family of the reminder would become their spiritual companions and guides on the journey, as well particularly, the present Guide on earth from them.
A whole new life will be opened up, a whole dimension of existence will open, you will feel states that nothing of pleasures of materialistic type compare to.
That said it opens up with how much we strive, our speed in the journey isn't going to take place unless we strive and sincerely reflect.
October 30, 2015 at 8:45 pm (This post was last modified: October 30, 2015 at 8:45 pm by IATIA.)
(October 30, 2015 at 3:58 am)robvalue Wrote: If I'm actually God, or Jesus, or Allah, or whatever, what would I have to do to convince you that I really am what I claim to be?
If you do not know, then you are not much of a god.
In the spirit of the question however, basically the same answer. I do not know. I would write anything off as natural. Maybe an hallucination, misinterpretation or whatever. I would think that a god would know what it would take to convince me.
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson
God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers
Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders
Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
-- The Rev Lovejoy
(October 30, 2015 at 8:19 pm)Rhythm Wrote: He doesn't hand you truth, he makes you work for it.......what kind of lazy religion is it that you follow, again?
I don't think truth is always handed on platter. We need to reflect still. That's one thing I come up with Quran and Islam, is that God still allows much room for reflective minds to figure things out, reflect, without spelling out everything for them in silver platter. We need to think to truly benefit from his revelation. That said those who are going to deny clear proofs, are going to deny clear miracles in front of their eyes. They may say he is a sorcerer or that he has caused a massive delusion or put it with the scientific perspective, it maybe aliens of an advanced technology. This is why Quran says in reality miracles are just to cause fear, to cause you to seriously reflect the issue and not deny with haste. The people are in great fear it is the truth, but they arrogantly go against what seems to be the truth to them. Rather then think about what seems to be the truth, and humbly ask, how else can you make us more convinced, but we don't deny you, they deny them out of arrogance.
That said, the dark forces try to keep people from reflecting about the Quran as it ought to be reflected. Where people to reflect it as ought to be reflected, then way be continuously risen heights, and continuously be opened doors through it.
That and the family of the reminder would become their spiritual companions and guides on the journey, as well particularly, the present Guide on earth from them.
A whole new life will be opened up, a whole dimension of existence will open, you will feel states that nothing of pleasures of materialistic type compare to.
That said it opens up with how much we strive, our speed in the journey isn't going to take place unless we strive and sincerely reflect.
You cannot find the true answer when you start with an answer and seek ways to validate it. To find truth you need to look at all of the solutions and potential answers.
Quote:To know yet to think that one does not know is best; Not to know yet to think that one knows will lead to difficulty.
- Lau Tzu
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October 30, 2015 at 8:56 pm (This post was last modified: October 30, 2015 at 9:00 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
"God truth" is weaker than "dark forces"? Seems like the smart money is on the dark forces then, Mystic. When Abyzou rolls over your pathetic god truths...I'll put in the good word to spare you...as a friend of mine, and a personal favor. I have chips to call in from that camp, after all.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(October 30, 2015 at 8:54 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote: You cannot find the true answer when you start with an answer and seek ways to validate it. To find truth you need to look at all of the solutions and potential answers.
Is this true though? Can we actually look ALL solutions and potential answers, are our minds even big enough for that? Or is one that is convincing and proven by reason sufficient without knowing all potential answers or theories as solutions out there?
October 30, 2015 at 9:01 pm (This post was last modified: October 30, 2015 at 9:02 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
So, basically.... it's just too hard...therefore islam? Sounds legit. Like I said; lazy, lazy religion.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
October 30, 2015 at 9:05 pm (This post was last modified: October 30, 2015 at 9:06 pm by IATIA.)
(October 30, 2015 at 8:41 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
(October 30, 2015 at 8:19 pm)Rhythm Wrote: He doesn't hand you truth, he makes you work for it.......what kind of lazy religion is it that you follow, again?
I don't think truth is always handed on platter. We need to reflect still. That's one thing I come up with Quran and Islam, is that God still allows much room for reflective minds to figure things out, reflect, without spelling out everything for them in silver platter. We need to think to truly benefit from his revelation. That said those who are going to deny clear proofs, are going to deny clear miracles in front of their eyes. They may say he is a sorcerer or that he has caused a massive delusion or put it with the scientific perspective, it maybe aliens of an advanced technology. This is why Quran says in reality miracles are just to cause fear, to cause you to seriously reflect the issue and not deny with haste. The people are in great fear it is the truth, but they arrogantly go against what seems to be the truth to them. Rather then think about what seems to be the truth, and humbly ask, how else can you make us more convinced, but we don't deny you, they deny them out of arrogance.
That said, the dark forces try to keep people from reflecting about the Quran as it ought to be reflected. Where people to reflect it as ought to be reflected, then way be continuously risen heights, and continuously be opened doors through it.
That and the family of the reminder would become their spiritual companions and guides on the journey, as well particularly, the present Guide on earth from them.
A whole new life will be opened up, a whole dimension of existence will open, you will feel states that nothing of pleasures of materialistic type compare to.
That said it opens up with how much we strive, our speed in the journey isn't going to take place unless we strive and sincerely reflect.
Blah, blah, blah. All your posts lately are nothing short of proselytization. You are getting really boring. How do you know that you have the right book, the right god and that Satan is not the real god? Little voices in your head? Yeah, that is sane.
Buffy the Vampire Slayer Wrote:INVISIBLE BUFFY: Hello, Mrs. Kroger.
Cut to inside. A typical office setting. Phones ringing, people walking around. Pan down the hall to reveal Ms. Kroger sitting at her desk in a cubicle area. Another woman is working nearby.
Ms. Kroger is looking at some paperwork on her desk. She reaches over to pick up a coffee mug, takes a sip, puts the mug down next to her right hand. Takes a pen from a container and makes a note on the papers, reaches for the coffee mug again. But the mug is gone.
MS. KROGER: (confused) What - Where's my...
She turns to find the mug sitting on the desk by her left hand. She gives a nervous laugh. The coworker turns to look at her.
MS. KROGER: (joking) Losing my mind.
She picks up the mug, takes a sip, puts it down on her right again. Turns to the left to pick up some more papers. Turns back and the mug is gone again.
She gives a frustrated sigh.
MS. KROGER: (annoyed) Okay, who's the-
She turns and finds the mug sitting on top of her computer monitor. As she reaches for it, it floats up into the air and dances around a little.
INVISIBLE BUFFY: (softly) Kill, kill, kill!
MS. KROGER: What?
The coworker looks over in confusion.
COWORKER: I didn't say anything.
MS. KROGER: Not you! The mug, it's-
The mug is gone again. She stops, looks around. The mug is back in its original spot on her right.
MS. KROGER: But I ... I heard something.
She pokes the mug nervously.
INVISIBLE BUFFY: Kill, Doris. Kill everybody.
Ms. Kroger looks shocked, pushes her chair back and stands up.
INVISIBLE BUFFY: You know you want to.
MS. KROGER: (yelling at the mug) Shut up, shut up, just shut up!
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson
God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers
Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders
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