How humans are "slaves", and how that leads to the existence of God.

[WinterHold]

Yeah. I've been trying to help the guy. He sounds really unhappy, because he thinks there's a gun to his head. So much so that he's trying to convince us there's a gun to our head too to try and save his own ass.

We can all see there is no gun. This is all needless angst.

If you have to try that hard to show me there's a gun to my head, maybe you need to consider that you might be wrong. One of us is seriously deluded. I've been alive 38 years and I've seen fuck all. Just millions of theists all telling me to do what they say or else. Only in a religious context is this behaviour socially acceptable, and I don't see why it should be.

It's not hard to write in a book, "People are going to tell you that you're wrong. But you're not, they're wrong."

 "thinking" ? we will die, ALL OF US. consider that the "cocking of the gun".
And then again, saving myself includes a wide set of acts, including praying, charity, and other stuff that don't include non-believers. I can do like the millions of Muslims who decide to live life and not bother about non-believers. Believe it or not; Islam does spread despite what our efforts were.

A lot of you don't see the gun because it's an Atheist forum, after all.
I too saw tons of Atheists with tons of arguments, sadly they don't seem to convince.

"Correct until proven wrong". That goes on both of us; why when I'm not convincing to you it's cool, but when you're not convincing to me is a hideous act that doesn't come out but from a brainwashed wretched fiend who worships 1984's big brother?

I discuss this here because it's a forum related to discussion about these stuff : actually in real life, I tend to keep my faith a secret, unless somebody asks.

Discussion is lovely..it opens new horizons, rob.

Redbeard The Pink

Zero was just one example.
An example I used a lot here in the past was the base case of recursive functions., which is the special conditions that forces you to exist the loop of the function.

The Quran provides lots of good reasons for why God is the special case. Logically, to me, it makes sense.  one major reason is that all things must come from a source, and I just simply don't believe that the big bang was caused by a random event; I think it was engineered, by a creator, which our minds can't get how he is there, because all we know and see is creations. Asking how he came to be is is just as meangless because the rules of creation don't apply to him.

Which is what I was pretty much saying through this topic.

[Redbeard The Pink]

Redbeard The Pink

Zero was just one example.
An example I used a lot here in the past was the base case of recursive functions., which is the special conditions that forces you to exist the loop of the function.

And again, that is a special case that is special because of supportive, mathematical reasons and not because of a person's or book's arbitrary say-so.

The Quran provides lots of good reasons for why God is the special case.

Unless we have a good reason to believe the Quran, it does not provide a good reason to treat Gaud as a special case; alas, there is no good reason to believe the Quran. Furthermore, the Quran may actually be the claim in this case, and a claim cannot be used as evidence of itself.

Logically, to me, it makes sense.  one major reason is that all things must come from a source,

Then Gaud must come from a source; otherwise you're special pleading.

and I just simply don't believe that the big bang was caused by a random event;

I know you don't. That's called "Argument from Personal Incredulity," and it's another fallacy.

I think it was engineered, by a creator, which our minds can't get how he is there, because all we know and see is creations. Asking how he came to be is is just as meangless because the rules of creation don't apply to him.

For what reasons do the rules of creation not apply to him? "Because I read it in the Quran" is not a good answer, and "Because a voice in my head told me" is also not a good answer. Unless there's a good reason, you're still guilty of Special Pleading.

[abaris]

When I say "zero" is a special number, is that special pleading ?

I give you credit for not being as stupid as the West back then. But you are aware, you're not the ones introducing zero?

It came from further south. But as I said, you're the ones preserving that knowledge. It just hasn't got to do anything with god. Just with less superstition and ignorance.

[robvalue]

I used "gun to your head" as a metaphor for your soul being held hostage. You must act the way people in your religion tell you to, or else your soul is supposedly in jeopardy.

I can't imagine that's a nice way to feel. But if you enjoy it, more power to you.

[Pat Mustard]

You neglected the possibility that God is not a "thing".
We are "things". God is not even a "thing".

If god is not a thing, then it doesn't exist. Therefore you have refuted your own argument.

Bravo, sir! Bravo!

[Nay_Sayer]

The Quran like the bible is fit for only; trash, Lining animal cages, Emergency toilet paper, Rolling papers and emergency tissues.