The Tower of Babel

[Minimalist]

So, come on. Name names, so that we can check them out.

Also, you should get your stories straight. Huggy's still under the impression of this being some ancient stargate.

Where did I mention a stargate? I said they were able to travel "inter-dimensionally", there is a big difference.

Evidence?  Or are you simply strip mining your own ass?

[Minimalist]

I've got 4 very well known historical

Historical whats, drippy.  Do you mean "historians?"  Who are they?

P.S.  If Ron Fucking Wyatt is one of them admit you are a fucktard and don't bother with the other 3.

[robvalue]

The Tower of Babble.

I wonder, could there be anything so utterly ridiculous that might have been written in the bible that all Christians would agree that it didn't literally happen? I'm thinking not.

[Cyberman]

I've got 4 very well known historical

Historical whats, drippy.  Do you mean "historians?"  Who are they?

He probably meant "hysterical".

[RobbyPants]

The God of the Bible doesn't merely laugh this off as foolish hubris. Rather, he sees it as a serious threat and takes steps to put a stop to it. He confuses their language so they can’t understand one another. I cannot see the Creator of the universe acting this way.

The problem is, you're not assuming that this entity isn't an asshole and/or stupid. An asshole might do that. A stupid person certainly might.

A lot of the Bible makes more sense if you don't assume that God is as good as he says he is. And it's not like we have any reason to trust him.

[Rhondazvous]

The God of the Bible doesn't merely laugh this off as foolish hubris. Rather, he sees it as a serious threat and takes steps to put a stop to it. He confuses their language so they can’t understand one another. I cannot see the Creator of the universe acting this way.

The problem is, you're not assuming that this entity isn't an asshole and/or stupid. An asshole might do that. A stupid person certainly might.

A lot of the Bible makes more sense if you don't assume that God is as good as he says he is. And it's not like we have any reason to trust him.

Hey Robby,

Good to see you. Of course, the difference between gods and assholes is assholes really exist. I'm sitting on one right now.

You are right, we must abandon the idea that Yahweh/Elohim is all loving or redefine love until it is, as Kurt Vonnegut would have said, FUBAR (Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition.)

[Minimalist]

The Tower of Babble.

I wonder, could there be anything so utterly ridiculous that might have been written in the bible that all Christians would agree that it didn't literally happen? I'm thinking not.

The tower story is rational and reasonable compared to noah's ark, creation, the exodus and the conquest.

So the short answer is "no."  Xtians love the ridiculous.

[ronedee]

The story about the Tower of Babel presents us with some interesting questions. In this story, the inhabitants of the Earth move further away from the Garden of Eden after Adam's eviction therefrom. They all speak the same language and pretty much stick together. There is no confusion among them. No misunderstanding. No war. The Bible tells us they were all of one mind (Genesis 11:1-9). The God of the Bible comes down to see this. When he notes that they are united and their unity strengthens them, he is displeased. They plan to build a tower up to heaven. The God of the Bible doesn't merely laugh this off as foolish hubris. Rather, he sees it as a serious threat and takes steps to put a stop to it. He confuses their language so they can’t understand one another. I cannot see the Creator of the universe acting this way. But the creator of an Earth-centered fantasy world which does not exist outside the pages of the Bible did act this way. Let's take a look at this passage and see if any of the following questions seem a tad odd.


We might also see the synergy of people working together. A community where people work toward common goals—where nobody says “that‘s mine” can be imagined. And if we can imagine a thing, we can build it.

I guess you know nothing of human nature? Men do what men do. God does what God does.

Look to the "Word of God" personified as your guide. Aka Jesus. The rest is subjective: inspired by God; written by men. Common sense of those times, wisdom and discernment is needed for the OT.

Two themes are prevalent to me throughout the old testament: God's Patience & Love, and man's constant disobedience and rebellion. The ONLY solution was Jesus Christ! Its basically a backdoor to Heaven. Because we are unable to get there; as the Babylonians tried building towers to it! Unsuccessfully I might add. The symbolism is astounding, as is your negligence in seeing the relationship to mans rebellion! But again, you need open awareness to read these stories.

Jesus paid the wages of sin for us. "He who was without sin, became sin." And put sin to death on the cross! Now, sin has no exclusive powers. Death [was] only meant for sinners when the curse was adjudicated in the beginning. Christ broke that bond in living a perfect life, but dying anyway.

God said: "It is kindness that I want, not animal sacrifice." Only through human experience can we demonstrate that "act". And no amount of "omni_____." will do that. Not without God making it that way for us!

Moral of story? God gets to make us real, instead of robots! Real means: actually having a choice separate and apart from any influence.

And as for evidence? He says throughout the bible that we have sufficient evidence!



2 Peter 3:5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water.

[Silver]

I guess you know nothing of human nature? Men do what men do. God does what God does.

Look to the "Word of God" personified as your guide. Aka Jesus. The rest is subjective: inspired by God; written by men. Common sense of those times, wisdom and discernment is needed for the OT.



And as for evidence? He says throughout the bible that we have sufficient evidence!



2 Peter 3:5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water.

I know you know nothing of anything.

You are a mere sheep following the herd for the sake of the comfort that following provides you since you cannot find any comfort outside of a belief system that provides the comfort for you due to the fact that you are one fucking ignorant twat.

I suppose any old person could write anything and claim that it is inspired by an outside source. Oh, right. It has been done multiple times, multiple religions claiming the same goddamn stupid idiocy that relies on gullibility rather than logic.

I could write a fucking religion and claim that the proof of the religion is in what I have written. That is not fucking proof, you fucking moron. Christianity is not exempt from the scrutiny of logic merely because it makes baseless claims to faith.

Grow the fuck up already.

[ronedee]

I guess you know nothing of human nature? Men do what men do. God does what God does.

Look to the "Word of God" personified as your guide. Aka Jesus. The rest is subjective: inspired by God; written by men. Common sense of those times, wisdom and discernment is needed for the OT.



And as for evidence? He says throughout the bible that we have sufficient evidence!



2 Peter 3:5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water.

I know you know nothing of anything.

You are a mere sheep following the herd for the sake of the comfort that following provides you since you cannot find any comfort outside of a belief system that provides the comfort for you due to the fact that you are one fucking ignorant twat.

I suppose any old person could write anything and claim that it is inspired by an outside source.  Oh, right.  It has been done multiple times, multiple religions claiming the same goddamn stupid idiocy that relies on gullibility rather than logic.

I could write a fucking religion and claim that the proof of the religion is in what I have written. That is not fucking proof, you fucking moron.  Christianity is not exempt from the scrutiny of logic merely because it makes baseless claims to faith.

Grow the fuck up already.

LOL! I guess "kindness" isn't on your radar?

Hows NO, as my answer to your childish tirade?