Misconceptions about Homosexuality

[fr0d0]

That's it I'm blocking you tacky!!!

TOO MUCH INFORMATION DUDE!!!

[Pippy]

Why do some homosexuals have an accent that seems to be a solely homosexual accent? If the behavior is not learned, where did they pick up the accent?

Why is homosexuality revered in the modern society, and not treated as a choice, a deviant sexual behavior or at the very least something that is not selected for in evolution? If there is one thing that evolution abhors (although it has no real opinion) it's strict homosexuality. You don't make babies. If your parents were strictly homosexual, you would not exist. It doesn't seem like a moral positive in that light.

I am very accepting of individuals, and have friends who happen to be gay. Fuck, I may as well be gay myself, that's how much it doesn't matter on a personal level. I will never be mean to someone because they are gay. But I have a problem pandering to and worshiping the lifestyle choices that represent gayness. I will tolerate it, try to accept it, but will not congratulate it.

Is gayness genetic? I know the whole "I have no choice" and "I have to be who I really am" arguments, I wonder if homosexual tendency is genetic. I would vote learned behavior, but I may be wrong.

Those are my misconceptions with gayness. MY buddy at work once insisted that his gayness was not genetic, but chromosomal, which made me laugh very, very hard. He also thinks 12% of the world is fully gay, and I thought it was more like 2%, like left handed people.

Ah sex with other men,
-Pip

[Eilonnwy]

Why do some homosexuals have an accent that seems to be a solely homosexual accent? If the behavior is not learned, where did they pick up the accent?

What gay accent? There is no such thing.

Why is homosexuality revered in the modern society, and not treated as a choice, a deviant sexual behavior

Where the fuck have you been living? Homosexuality is not revered in the least. Too many people think as you do. Too many people hate gays and try to take away their basic civil rights. Gays are constantly put down and hated. Do you think gays would choose to be a hated minority? You think they would choose to get thrown out by their parents when they come out, or choose to have their religions telling them they are going to hell? Come on, Pippy? Are you fucking kidding me?

The gay rights movement has struggled tirelessly to get rid of notions like "It's a choice", but even still many people today insist it's a choice and discriminate against it. Tell me, Pippy, when did you choose to be straight? Hmm?

or at the very least something that is not selected for in evolution? If there is one thing that evolution abhors (although it has no real opinion) it's strict homosexuality. You don't make babies. If your parents were strictly homosexual, you would not exist. It doesn't seem like a moral positive in that light.

Oh, the classic, homosexuality cannot be naturally occurring because it's not evolutionary advantageous. I've already tackled this before, so I'm going to copy pasta from an old thread:

First, to address the comment that homosexuality is natural. Natural has many definitions, just look at dictionary.com http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/natural But the first and most relevant definition is "existing in or formed by nature (opposed to artificial ): a natural bridge. " So essentially, if it's found in nature and not "artificial" it's natural. Since animals besides humans have been shown display homosexuality, it is safe to say homosexuality is natural. It's as simple as that.

However, I'm sure the people are more concerned with natural as being "born with" and "evolutionary advantageous". It's fallacious to think in those terms. You could argue that our personalities are natural and yet there is no specific genetic component. It's argued that personality is genetic or that personality is a result of upbringing, or a blend of the two. But at the end of the day, I would say most of us agree that our personality is intrinsic and not subject to change without changing a sense of "self"

Homosexuality is intrinsic to the nature of the person, whether it's genetic or not. There is a quote in the Iowa court decision that legalized gay marriage that talks about that: "Sexual orientation is someone’s identity and is not subject to change without changing a sense of self" This is the basic argument for why homosexuals should have equal rights, whether it's genetic or not.

It has not been definitively pinpointed to a specific gene, but there is evidence to suggest there is a genetic component. It's important to remember that traits physical or not, are not always pinpointed to a single gene. There have also been studies into prenatal care, environment, etc... For instances, if a woman who is pregnant with a female has high levels of testosterone, it's been found that the child will be more likely to be gay. It's also been studied that female relatives of homosexuals tend to have more children that woman with heterosexual relatives which may suggest there is something in the x-chromosome that promotes fertility and could contribute to homosexuality.

For more information on the biology of homosexuality, this page has a decent summery of various studies and the findings: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and...rientation

The biggest thing to take away from this is that it is not specifically known what causes homosexuality (It's certainly not explained away as a chemical imbalance in the brain) but without knowing the specific cause we do know that is intrinsic to the nature of the person and to try and change that would change one's sense of self. No one should ever have to do that to live by their basic civil right of "pursuit of happiness". Hence, denying gay marriage or segregating it to "civil unions" is fundamentally wrong.

Now, to discuss the whole evolutionary aspect. It's very simplistic to think there has to be an evolutionary advantage for something to have evolved. Evolution does not have a "goal". It simple means change over time and what we have today as plants and animals are the changes that have produced these plants and animals, and that doesn't mean all the evolutionary traits animals and plants have are "good" or "advantageous" Natural selection is not perfect and does not only select "good traits".

Example: Almost every other animal has a gene that can produce Vitamin C. Human's and great apes have a Vitamin C deficiency. It's theorized that genetic mutations continued over time that eventually prevented our ability to create Vitamin C. If I remember correctly, the gene is in our genetic makeup, but it's essentially "broken" for lack of a better word. Why would this trait evolve? It's not very advantageous to no longer produce our own Vitamin C, yet here we are. Simply put, it evolved because we were eating fruits with high Vitamin C, so when the inability to produce Vitamin C came about it didn't get "selected" away. It was countered by our diet.

So, yes, men and women can have children. Gays cannot, but it's doesn't prevent the race from continuing if a substantial amount of the species are still breeding. Thinking of evolution in terms of what is "best" for the race is highly fallacious.

Personally, I know that even if I lived a heterosexual life I would still have attraction to women and vice versa. I could never change that about myself. So for me, it's natural. If people are uncomfortable with homosexuality, that's fine.

I am very accepting of individuals, and have friends who happen to be gay. Fuck, I may as well be gay myself, that's how much it doesn't matter on a personal level. I will never be mean to someone because they are gay. But I have a problem pandering to and worshiping the lifestyle choices that represent gayness. I will tolerate it, try to accept it, but will not congratulate it.

Is gayness genetic? I know the whole "I have no choice" and "I have to be who I really am" arguments, I wonder if homosexual tendency is genetic. I would vote learned behavior, but I may be wrong.

Those are my misconceptions with gayness. MY buddy at work once insisted that his gayness was not genetic, but chromosomal, which made me laugh very, very hard. He also thinks 12% of the world is fully gay, and I thought it was more like 2%, like left handed people.

Ah sex with other men,
-Pip

No one is asking you to pander to gays. They just want to exist and love in the same capacity that straight people can. It's about equality. Gay people are treated terribly socially and politically, for no good reason other than religious, or people just finding it gross. If you think that people should be able to love and live with whomever they choose, why must this be dependent on gender? Why is it only okay if they're the opposite sex? We're not bothering you we just want to live their own damn lives, the same way you get to live yours. We want children not to kill themselves for realizing they're gay, not able to withstand the pressure, the torment, what their parents think... We want people to get married to whom they love, regardless of gender. We want equal opportunities at work, to get adoptions, etc... What is so wrong with that?

It doesn't matter how many gay people exist, it simply matters that we do exist, it's not a choice, and you clearly don't understand the first thing about gay people.

You might want to read my post again about heterosexual privilege. Here, I've linked it for you.

[Dotard]

What gay accent? There is no such thing.

Bullshit. I can't help to think you know what he is refering to. Gay men with the girlly, lispy speech. And the mannerisms (<--sp?), the limpy wristed 'you go girl' mannerism.

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Gay people are treated terribly socially and politically, for no good reason.....

Cry me a river. i'm treated terribly socially, so are black folks, so are chinese, so are white people, so are midgets, so are alcoholics, so are puppy kickers, so are mexicans, so are sexist bastards.

So are single people.

I want equal rights to adopt a child also. I'm single, never married, by choice.
I want the same rates for auto insurance as married people get.
I want to pay the same fucking income tax rate as married people. Why should I end up paying more because I'm single?

I want special laws and punishments doled out against those who commit crimes against me just because I'm..........me.

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You might want to read my post again about heterosexual privilege. Here, I've linked it for you.

What?! You, yourself said "There's white privilege, male privilege, straight privilege, etc... Simply put, it describes the social phenomena you experience as a person depending on what privileges you have based on your gender, race, orientation, etc... That people who have the privilege may not necessarily notice but do take advantage of, and that people without privilege deal constantly with the disadvantages."

That's everybody. According to what I believe your thought process was here there also is gay privilege, midget privilege, woman privilege, whomever privilege.

I'm male, white, single, heterosexual. I have found no 'privileges' in life based on those things. If I was a single female with children then that would afford me special privileges. Kicking back at home on the governments dime. So it's all relative Elio, what you may call a disadvantage I may call an advantage.

[Violet]

Bullshit. I can't help to think you know what he is refering to. Gay men with the girlly, lispy speech. And the mannerisms (<--sp?), the limpy wristed 'you go girl' mannerism.

I certainly don't, but I am aware of the stereotype However, it would be a fallacious thing to suggest of all "gay men" (Even if it was/is largely true).

Being male, white, single, and heterosexual grants you certain advantages as well as disadvantages... just as being an unknown sex of green-skinned alien with a complex mating system and 'bizarre' sexual attractions gives you both advantages and disadvantages. Whilst there are some members of the society that will spite you because of your status as a gay man... there are others who will applaud you for it. Whilst there are some to whom you are invisible if you are a white man... there are others who hate your guts because of their history with 'white men'.

With more land and population, an empire will be more productive... with more land and population, an empire will also be more vulnerable. There are costs associated with these "social privileges" that some here aren't seeing. There are benefits to these "social privileges" that others here are overlooking.

So it's all relative Elio, what you may call a disadvantage I may call an advantage.

Ne'er truer words spoken

[Loki_999]

Just off the top of my head three of my gay friends had this "accent" as its being called. One had it very strong and he definitely accentuated it deliberately... he was a complete queen though. Another it was kindof there, noticeable but not strong, and the last (who was actually bisexual) switched it on and off depending on who he was talking to.

I wouldn't call it an accent though, i would call it an affectation.

Actually, funny thing is, all three guys were decent looking, not ugly (so you can throw out the ugly stereotype as well). The one i referred to as a queen was about 6ft tall, very well muscled and no fat, nice hair down to his shoulders, handsome face not too masculine or feminine, basically many a woman's dream... i think he disappointed quite a lot of girls.

[mem]

Unfortunately ladies, while the male penis when flaccid does tend to vary in size quite a lot, when erect they are similar between 6-7 inches (although i'm guessing that there may be racial variations the same as average height/weight/etc).

Funny thing is when checking this via google i started typing "average" and the first option presented was "average penile length". Obviously a common search phrase.

There are always exceptions, but on average you are going to get an average sized one. Anyway, its not what you have, its what you do with it.

Not sure about the facts with regards to women, but in my experience women tend to be quite varied in hole size (and i'm mainly thinking about women who have not yet had children). One girl I knew I slept with only once because it was so bloody painful to have sex with her (she warned me in advance so it wasn't like she wasn't experienced), and another who had a hole like the channel tunnel was also no fun.

Hole! Lol. Like throwing a sausage up the Albert Hall as my gay mate david says. LOL

[Dotard]

I certainly don't, but I am aware of the stereotype However, it would be a fallacious thing to suggest of all "gay men" (Even if it was/is largely true).

I don't know if Pippy was suggesting "all gay men", I certainly wasn't. I never met you personally Sae, but I'd bet a dime to a dozen doughnuts you have those mannerisms and speech. I believe Pippy was asking if gayness was not a learned behavior then where did/do you 'pickup' the accent/mannerisms?

[Paul the Human]

The 'gay accent', for lack of a better term, does exist (talking gay men here). There is a certain manner of speaking that nearly everyone can hear and say, "That guy sounds gay". Personally, I do think it is an affectation. For one thing, not all gay men speak that way.

My wife's cousin came out gay a couple of years ago. Before that, he spoke just like everyone else, but as soon as he announced that he is gay, he began to talk with the 'gay accent'. We (the family) were all fine with him being gay, but the change in his speech and mannerisms became a topic of conversation (when he wasn't around). We couldn't figure out why being gay means you have to speak that way... or why he seems to think he has to speak that way... whatever.

I think it would be interesting to find out where that comes from. It is so similar from gay man to gay man that it is recognizable as a 'gay voice'.

[Scented Nectar]

The accent just happens from hanging around with a crowd using it, I think. Sort of like valley girl talk was.