Misconceptions about Homosexuality

[Violet]

You are comparing apples and oranges here. These issues are so far apart, it's absurd. I'm talking about the challenges gay people face, I'm not comparing them, because you can't compare them.

Why did you have to get me into this, Ely? Tis you being absurd here.

Observe: Gay people suffer challenges.

A suffers B.

Single people suffer challenges.

A suffers B.

Conclusion: same damn argument.

Dotard's valid point (in this case) is that people treat you in different ways for being anything under the sun... and that a lot of this treatment is fucking stupid. Gays have it tough? Well so do heterosexphiles. Think of all those wonderful sexual experiences they will never know before you don't feel sorry for them... and they will likely live their life sheltered from the fascinating experience of being gay. Everyone has it tough... some just more visibly and obviously than others.

I want special laws and punishments doled out against those who commit crimes against me just because I'm..........me.

I'm with you here too.

No, there is no such thing as Gay privilege, female privilege, etc...

I do not apologize for the tirade I'm about to subject you to, but try not to be pissed before you read it, m'kie?

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Is so. Gays get to enjoy gay sex... and that's a pretty damn good privilege in my opinion. Females get so many privileges that I am amazed you would even presume to make the argument that they are not privileged because of their sex. You cannot not be privileged... your existence itself is a privilege that you can be robbed of in an instant.

The privilege I am referring to here is a sociological phenomena that is well studied about what advantages certain groups of people receive as an accident of being born into the favored race, gender, etc....

Oh really now? And do these studies understand that there are many societies within "the big society" where these very people shunned by the larger society are given sometimes greater benefits than are enjoyed by most of "the big society"? Value is an individual concept, regardless of wether a society has influenced it. You might notice that in social settings, people usually try to 'hang with' those who are similar to them in apparent ways. Black people hang together... druggies hang together... drunkards hang together... asians hang together... socialists hang together... republicans hang together. Each of these groups is a society... and many of them will find much more favor with those of their type (black people society values black people more). There is no fucking "favored group", because wherever you look: there's a different favored group! And before you get on me about "Oh, but they are SMALLER groups!", check out my next argument below.

It's no secret that white is the favored race, male the favored gender, and heterosexuality that favored sexuality and these groups gain benefits from society.

Well it's a fucking secret to me! What have the Chinese to say about that, I wonder? They have 1.338 billion people in their society! That is FOUR TIMES as large a population as we have! And what about India? They've 'only' about 150 million less than China! What would they say about this "Whites are more favored" idiocy? I think their 'usual' skin colors is argument enough.

Now that the minor tirade is over... white skin you claim to be "favored" by most people in the United States. I disagree again! If I'm an employer, and I see an unemployed Mexican trying to get a job with me... the first thing on my mind is, "Sweet! Cheap labour!" If I am manager of part of a company, and my boss gives us "black quotas"... I'm going to value those blacks more than other potential employees as a result of it. By the by... this happens to be a privilege sometimes enjoyed by both black people and females here (in the USA). Isn't that amazing? Also... I for one happen to be quite attracted to good looking black men... and I know I am not the only woman I've met who prefers men of non-caucasian skin colors... because I've asked. To summarize:

Summary: White skin might be favored among the primary political parties of the USA... but it is barely (if at all) favored any more than any other skin color on a macro scale in the united states (and especially the macro scale of Earth). I was mostly staying out of you two's (Dotard and Ely) argument... but your refusal to consider Dotard's argument is pulling me in... and frankly I'm more than half agreeing with Pippy in here.

That doesn't mean people who have those privileges are sitting pretty in their castle. Every individual has their own individual advantages and disadvantages, sure. I never argued against that.

Erhem:

No, there is no such thing as Gay privilege, female privilege, etc...

Dictionary said: "privilege |ˈpriv(ə)lij|
noun
a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people"

Ergo: even if it was unintentional, that is what you were arguing. However, my next bunch of refutations are using your definition to show you why it is silly (as if you can't already see that from above? :Sleepy: )

But there is a sociological structure of privilege that promotes white, heterosexual men. If you think otherwise, then you're arguing against a well known and studied sociological concepts and historical fact.

Then apparently I'm arguing against a well known and studied sociological concepts and historical... (Dare I say it? Yes I dare!) lies. Fact: It is not so well known that I know it, and I can demonstrate it as being otherwise on a larger scale (as seen in my superfluous examples above, though I've barely begun if you don't believe me). Further, this "well studied sociological concept" absolutely falls apart (as I demonstrated above, though as before, I've barely started) when you realize that excluding a small group of blacks in america because they are not the majority population is excluding every single one of America's views because they are not the majority population, which happens to be China and India.

You made the claim that there is no privilege (in the sense of your "social privilege" definition), and then you make this claim by excluding every group in America that is not the most populous. I am intransigent in doing so, because a society is not what most of it believe... but what all of it believes. And it so happens that there are many social privileges (among all the other privileges) enjoyed by blacks, women, transvestites, gays, and farmers in the US that are not enjoyed by the "common" white-male jeans-wearing straight city dweller (as demonstrated, and can be repeatedly demonstrated).

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Yes, he is a caricature of gay men, but a good example of the gay affectation/accent.

Holy cow... actually... I hear more women talk like that than I do men 0.o Holy cow... just just... just holy cow. Seriously... I am at a loss for words. Well I certainly don't talk like that... don't you worry, Dotard

[KichigaiNeko]

There is a problem with 'intellectualising' people and their behaviour is a tribal context...

We usually get it wrong for the individual.....

Gay , straight, or 'just not interested' ...up shot of it all is that people have a hard time expressing themselves in today's society ...I feel that the oppression from Islam, Judaic, Christian theologies is at fault. Since they all purport the "go forth and multiply" ethos.... this is high pressure to 'procreate' in support of the 'tribe' with scant consideration of the individuals need, wants or desires. So in the end 'Sexuality' is something that is not addressed satisfactorily by the mechanisms of today's society but I am hopeful that we as a global society will get over our preoccupation of words and rules and regulations.......

/end rant

[downbeatplumb]

Yes, he is a caricature of gay men, but a good example of the gay affectation/accent.

There are gay people who affect this way of speaking, whether its intentional or not is a matter for debate, but I guess it could work as a sort of advertising or maybe its just thats how the circle they move in talk.

I stayed in france a few years ago and after a few days I was talking like I was in 'allo 'allo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xtvm6xZSGCo

Saying that, not all gay people do it so the it is not universal.

[Scented Nectar]

I will just continue bringing it up to the bosses, I am the last person interested in calling the police. He can't help it anyways, he's a gay. I'm kidding.

How's 'bringing it up to the bosses' working for you so far? Why bother continuing to do that? Oh well, I had my say, and now wonder how strongly you want to stop this guy. I must assume that he is not traumatizing you too badly. And since I don't know what exactly he has been doing to you, I can't form any opinion on how severely I think he is infringing on you. Maybe he is just putting on arm over your shoulder while talking locker room talk? Or maybe he is directly grabbing your crotch and telling you you must have sex with him, or something. I don't know, but there is a huge difference.

[Pippy]

It's my fight, but I thought it was a telling example of how, in the world I live in, hmosexuals don't get the short end of any sticks, and in fact get preferential treatement.

Thank you for your caring though, I appreciate that it bothers you and you would see me free of it.

[Scented Nectar]

It's my fight, but I thought it was a telling example of how, in the world I live in, hmosexuals don't get the short end of any sticks, and in fact get preferential treatement.

Thank you for your caring though, I appreciate that it bothers you and you would see me free of it.

Ok, good luck then, but i disagree about preferential treatment. I live in Ontario too, and sexual assault trumps false claims of discrimination (false because he'd be saying you're lying about what he's done). Proven assaults will gather public sympathy every time over a false claim that you are just saying it cuz he's gay.

[Tiberius]

Look, we haven't been dealing with the original thread topic, and that is the misconceptions about homosexuality. One misconception is that homosexuals don't have an "agenda". Well, sorry to be so blunt about it, but they do. Watch this informative video for more details:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijbovskICjk

[tackattack]

LOL WOW, Ralph was sick and contagious.. where did you find that bit of tripe Adrian?

[Violet]

Everyone has an agenda, Adrian ^_^

Except me. I'm too cute to have an agenda

[Dotard]

One misconception is that homosexuals don't have an "agenda". Well, sorry to be so blunt about it, but they do.

Ah HA! I knew it! Video proof confirming my conceptions. Educational videos are like the internet and TV. It wouldn't be in/on them if it were not true.