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RE: what do non/anti-religion Deists and Theists believe ?
November 14, 2015 at 6:59 pm
(November 14, 2015 at 6:34 pm)SpecUVdust Wrote: Jenny 1972 Wrote:i need evidence to eith believe or disbelieve in something But you do not require a shred of evidence for a god claim. You are being dishonest.
Jenny 1972 Wrote:not everyone believed radio waves existed after it was discovered . They did soon after though, because they couldn't rationally "not" believe it because it was demonstrable. This is due to the fact that radio waves manifest in reality.But after thousands of years, God still cannot be demonstrated. This is because God does not manifest in reality, which by definition means God DOES NOT EXIST. You used an improper metaphor. You cannot present a real metaphor because anything real that you reference actually exists.
I claim that a god can not exist. The very existence of a god is contradictory and makes zero sense. There's no room in reality for God. It is an impossibility. I've said all I can. I hope you allow yourself to think more freely on the subject some day
right i get that you dont believe in God thats ok noone is trying to convince you evidence through scientific discovery or personal experiencing evidence either will be convincing through science or personal experience - experiencing evidence that is convincing in some way .
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RE: what do non/anti-religion Deists and Theists believe ?
November 14, 2015 at 7:38 pm
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(November 14, 2015 at 5:50 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: no science cannot demonstrate the origin of thoughts or anything more than the very basic knowledge about thoughts/mind im not trying to convince anyone of anything i was just curious as to what deists and other theists believe about God . OFC it can, again, there is an entire field of study devoted to it, and because of their demonstrations we today, for example, no longer think that thoughts come from our hearts or our guts, as we once did. I get that you think there are mysterious and/or inexplicable things in this world, and I wouldn't exactly disagree....but the point of origin for human thought just isn't one of them, nor does it add any weight to your god claims whatsoever, which is why I find this silliness mysterious and inexplicable, itself.
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November 14, 2015 at 8:02 pm
(November 14, 2015 at 7:38 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (November 14, 2015 at 5:50 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: no science cannot demonstrate the origin of thoughts or anything more than the very basic knowledge about thoughts/mind im not trying to convince anyone of anything i was just curious as to what deists and other theists believe about God . OFC it can, again, there is an entire field of study devoted to it, and because of their demonstrations we today, for example, no longer think that thoughts come from our hearts or our guts, as we once did. I get that you think there are mysterious and/or inexplicable things in this world, and I wouldn't exactly disagree....but the point of origin for human thought just isn't one of them, nor does it add any weight to your god claims whatsoever, which is why I find this silliness mysterious and inexplicable, itself.
thats great that we know a little bit about thoughts and the mind and consciousness despite having an entire field of study on still very little is known about what exactly thoughts/dreams/consciousness involves all they know or can know is the basic truth that we have thoughts and thoughts do not come from our hearts or lungs but very little is known .
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November 14, 2015 at 9:39 pm
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You have a habit of devaluing -actual- knowledge in favor of non-knowledge and fantasy. Good luck with that. Neuroscience is unimpressive, it's just a little thing, people grasping in the dark, apparently. Imagine how unimpressive and small "god" is in comparison.
Your default answer to any criticism of your god claims is "science doesn't know everything". I have to ask....so what, why is that relevant at all, and who claims that it does? Why do you run into this wall full speed, every time?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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November 14, 2015 at 9:59 pm
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(November 14, 2015 at 9:39 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You have a habit of devaluing -actual- knowledge in favor of non-knowledge and fantasy. Good luck with that. Neuroscience is unimpressive, it's just a little thing, people grasping in the dark, apparently. Imagine how unimpressive and small "god" is in comparison.
Your default answer to any criticism of your god claims is "science doesn't know everything". I have to ask....so what, why is that relevant at all, and who claims that it does?
im just saying that science doesnt know everything and it might never know everything belief in God isnt a default position as in if science doesnt have a reason then it must therefore be God i have my own reasons for believing in God dont think you know everything about everything arrogance makes fools . non knowledge and fantasy as a reason for believing in God is a theory that isnt supported by anything its your opinion that you are presenting as fact.
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November 14, 2015 at 10:04 pm
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I don't think I know everything........just like science doesn't claim to know everything...again the question begs to be answered, why do you run into this wall every time? I haven't even been discussing any "fact of god", only the manner in which you present it. It doesn't matter, really, whether there is or isn't a god, in the context of the comments I'm making. If there were a god, I would still have the same questions -of you-. Wouldn't it be unfortunate, for example..if there really was a god, but the manner in which you thought about the subject prevented you from knowing anything about it? If you actually were presented with evidence for a god, but the way you compose your thoughts led you to an entirely unsupported conclusion -about- god?
"Science/You don't know everything" is a canned and meaningless statement. It leads nowhere, it supports nothing....and no one made the claim to begin with. Why do you feel that it's an appropriate response?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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November 14, 2015 at 10:22 pm
(November 14, 2015 at 10:04 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I don't think I know everything........just like science doesn't claim to know everything...again the question begs to be answered, why do you run into this wall every time? I haven't even been discussing any "fact of god", only the manner in which you present it. It doesn't matter, really, whether there is or isn't a god, in the context of the comments I'm making. If there were a god, I would still have the same questions -of you-. Wouldn't it be unfortunate, for example..if there really was a god, but the manner in which you thought about the subject prevented you from knowing anything about it? If you actually were presented with evidence for a god, but the way you compose your thoughts led you to an entirely unsupported conclusion -about- god?
"Science/You don't know everything" is a canned and meaningless statement. It leads nowhere, it supports nothing....and no one made the claim to begin with. Why do you feel that it's an appropriate response?
i avoid debating the existence of God because its pointless what your asking for is proof and i keep saying that i dont have proof that you can observe and am not trying to convince or prove anything to you your the one who keeps bumping into the wall asking repeatedly for proof that you cant get from me and can only gett yourself or through scientific discovery so just wait whats the point in debating it ?
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November 14, 2015 at 10:26 pm
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Why would I ask for proof, and when did I do so? I only ask for what you claim to possess; demonstration, detection. Does that seem strange to you? In any case, I'll ask the -actual- question again, which has nothing to do with proof at all, and doesn't even have to do with what you claimed to possess.
Since no one claims to know everything to begin with, why do you feel that your response is appropriate?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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November 14, 2015 at 11:13 pm
(November 14, 2015 at 10:26 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Why would I ask for proof? I only ask for what you claim to possess. Does that seem strange to you? In any case, I'll ask the -actual- question again, which has nothing to do with proof at all. Since no one claims to know everything to begin with, why do you feel that your response is appropriate?
response to an experience with God isnt a result of intellectual reasoning its different than reaching a decision on something its like the decision imposes itself on your mind and you just know . my response could not be anything else but belief i didnt decide to believe its just a result of witnessing something and this it you believe in what you observe . if you observe something you believe it if you experience it right ? well its the same with experience no different than if you witnessed something .
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November 14, 2015 at 11:24 pm
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Do you think I asked you anything -at all- that your response above would pertain to? What -I- asked you, simply..and three times now, was why "You/science don;t know everything" would be an appropriate response when no one claimed to know everything in the first place. By all means, continue talking to yourself /w me as a proxy, if you like.....
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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