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RE: A Hindu Perspective: Science vs. Spirituality
November 16, 2015 at 10:00 am
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Well, I don't have the money to spare to buy a book. But if you have a link to an article I'll read it, and I'll try out what it says.
Oh wait. We have a rule that you can't post links until you have 30 days and 30 posts. You can PM it to me if you like, and I'll post it if I think it's appropriate.
I already do meditation/mindfulness which is quite an experience. I have my own special world I retreat into, and it's amazing how real it can feel. If you want to call that spiritual, then I'm spiritual.
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RE: A Hindu Perspective: Science vs. Spirituality
November 16, 2015 at 10:08 am
(November 16, 2015 at 10:00 am)robvalue Wrote: Well, I'm not going to buy a book. I don't have the money to spare. But if you have a link to an article I'll read it, and I'll try out what it says.
Oh wait. We have a rule that you can't post links until you have 30 days and 30 posts. You can PM it to me if you like, and I'll post it if I think it's appropriate.
I already do meditation/mindfulness which is quite an experience. I have my own special world I retreat into, and it's amazing how real it can feel. If you want to call that spiritual, then I'm spiritual.
The book I would recommend is Auto Biography of an Yogi by Paramhansa Yogananda. It can be found on the internet for free, don't need to pay for it. I would never recommend anything to anyone if I have not a direct experience with it. The sad fact is I have been to a temple and felt nothing, I have been to a church and felt nothing, but when I read this book I did feel something. This was the spark that made me try and qualify myself.
Do what you will with it. Thanks.
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RE: A Hindu Perspective: Science vs. Spirituality
November 16, 2015 at 10:09 am
(November 16, 2015 at 9:58 am)Krishna Jaganath Wrote: [...]
You've hit the essence of the argument. In reality everything does come down to personal experience, if one has not had a direct personal experience than for sure they would not and should not believe.
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Nope. I have never had a personal experience of nuclear fusion, or the Battle of Stalingrad, but I know those things to be factual. That's because of evidence.
Personal experiences may be fun, but they prove nothing and are easily manipulated by charlatans and our own over-active, self-serving imaginations.
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
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RE: A Hindu Perspective: Science vs. Spirituality
November 16, 2015 at 10:12 am
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OK, thanks for the recommendation, I'll check it out.
Whatever someone may experience, I've no idea how you categorise when it becomes "spiritual". The mind and body are amazing, and can cause themselves to feel all kinds of incredible things. But I don't know what this is supposed to prove.
It may well make me "feel something", this book, I would not find it surprising. I can already make myself feel quite amazing things in meditation.
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RE: A Hindu Perspective: Science vs. Spirituality
November 16, 2015 at 10:13 am
(November 16, 2015 at 10:09 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote: (November 16, 2015 at 9:58 am)Krishna Jaganath Wrote: [...]
You've hit the essence of the argument. In reality everything does come down to personal experience, if one has not had a direct personal experience than for sure they would not and should not believe.
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Nope. I have never had a personal experience of nuclear fusion, or the Battle of Stalingrad, but I know those things to be factual. That's because of evidence.
Personal experiences may be fun, but they prove nothing and are easily manipulated by charlatans and our own over-active, self-serving imaginations.
"Nope. I have never had a personal experience of nuclear fusion, or the Battle of Stalingrad, but I know those things to be factual. That's because of evidence. "
Once again you have not understood the point I was trying to make, it has NOTHING to do with evidence, as we are talking about two different realities. If you want to say my argument is stupid then please do so, but when you talk about evidence you are clearly showing a misunderstanding of the point I was trying to make in my essay.
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RE: A Hindu Perspective: Science vs. Spirituality
November 16, 2015 at 10:17 am
OK I found the book, which bit shall I read? Which chapter tells me how to get an experience?
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RE: A Hindu Perspective: Science vs. Spirituality
November 16, 2015 at 10:27 am
(November 16, 2015 at 10:17 am)robvalue Wrote: OK I found the book, which bit shall I read? Which chapter tells me how to get an experience?
The whole book .. just like in science, sometimes the experiment works sometimes it doesn't. If you chose to do the experiment great if not no problem.
You talk about "experience", experience itself is a whole other topic. Which I will try and explain to the best of my limited ability in the future.
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RE: A Hindu Perspective: Science vs. Spirituality
November 16, 2015 at 10:28 am
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(November 16, 2015 at 10:13 am)Krishna Jaganath Wrote: Once again you have not understood the point I was trying to make, it has NOTHING to do with evidence, as we are talking about two different realities. [...]
Clearly. I'm talking about THE reality, the one we can perceive around us. Not sure what reality you're talking about.
And I'm pretty sure you do not understand my point which is - "personal experience" isn't worth sh*t, as far as understanding any kind of reality is concerned. I've done drugs - I know I can "experience" anything, given the right circumstances. That doesn't mean that a spiritual reality exists, just that our brains are pretty easy to trick - they can even often trick themselves. Hence superstition and mysticism.
And as far as evidence is concerned - so far EVERYTHING that has been proven to exist (or in other words - to be real, as in "reality"), has left evidence. If your magical reality doesn't involve evidence, then that's pretty suspicious.
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
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RE: A Hindu Perspective: Science vs. Spirituality
November 16, 2015 at 10:31 am
The whole book?
It's going to have to go on the back burner for now then I'm afraid. I don't have the energy to do that much reading easily. I appreciate the thought though.
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RE: A Hindu Perspective: Science vs. Spirituality
November 16, 2015 at 10:38 am
So, which is it, Krishna? Is science always over turning itself with new evidence, or is it dogmatic?
I can't remember where this verse is from, I think it got removed from canon:
"I don't hang around with mostly men because I'm gay. It's because men are better than women. Better trained, better equipped...better. Just better! I'm not gay."
For context, this is the previous verse:
"Hi Jesus" -robvalue
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