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RE: Muslims
November 20, 2015 at 7:12 pm
(November 20, 2015 at 7:02 pm)Napoléon Wrote: (November 20, 2015 at 7:00 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Not really. It just really sucks.
What sucks?
That so many of them are like that. It's so much easier thinking bad Muslim people are just a tiny minority. It's like I keep being made aware of how bad it really is, and it's all very discouraging. And scary. I just wonder if the good Muslims out there know that this is how it is? I can't imagine any of my friends making up any of those percentages... at least I really really hope not. But I hate to say I just don't know anymore.
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RE: Muslims
November 20, 2015 at 7:14 pm
Bacon is the solution...
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RE: Muslims
November 20, 2015 at 7:18 pm
(November 20, 2015 at 7:12 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I just wonder if the good Muslims out there know that this is how it is?
That's the issue. People try to define 'good muslims' by western standards of what a good person is.
The bottom line is, that for the vast majority of muslims, their idea of what constitutes a good person and our (I mean westerners in general when I say this), are completely different. And in my mind not compatible.
Islam is one of the main reasons why I think the multi-cultural experiment in Europe has been a complete and utter disaster. "Good Muslims" and "Good People" are mutually exclusive terms IMO.
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RE: Muslims
November 20, 2015 at 7:24 pm
Front page on our papers yesterday, the chief mufti here said the terrorist attacks are a direct result of
Quote:Racism and Islamophobia.
Another Muslim called on the ABC said, these terrorists have been sucked into an ideal and that they are the true victims here! Fuck me!
And you guys wonder why we Aussies seem uncaring.
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RE: Muslims
November 20, 2015 at 7:24 pm
I wonder how people who spouse the opposite view stated in the OP will find the courage or cowardice to counter the obvious.
I agree with you, Napo. If it weren't for people bringing ridiculous cultural ideas few people would bother bashing minorities.
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RE: Muslims
November 20, 2015 at 7:28 pm
(November 20, 2015 at 7:18 pm)Napoléon Wrote: (November 20, 2015 at 7:12 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I just wonder if the good Muslims out there know that this is how it is?
That's the issue. People try to define 'good muslims' by western standards of what a good person is.
The bottom line is, that for the vast majority of muslims, their idea of what constitutes a good person and our (I mean westerners in general when I say this), are completely different. And in my mind not compatible.
Islam is one of the main reasons why I think the multi-cultural experiment in Europe has been a complete and utter disaster. "Good Muslims" and "Good People" are mutually exclusive terms IMO.
Yeah, when I say "good Muslims", I just meant good people by our standards. But it seems pretty basic- don't kill people (or support it), and don't force others to practice your religion.
...And I just read some Sharia Law rules. Disgusting. Do all Muslims really believe Sharia Law is good??
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Muslims
November 20, 2015 at 7:29 pm
I'd say quite a damn lot do but I don't have the exact figures.
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RE: Muslims
November 20, 2015 at 7:30 pm
I want to accept people. I support the refugees coming to the US. But it's scary when I think of how many of them would make up any of these percentages.
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RE: Muslims
November 20, 2015 at 7:32 pm
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: Muslims
November 20, 2015 at 8:18 pm
Yes, it's scary, but have a look here:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2...esults.pdf
Quote:From the party that's constantly hollering about Freedumz!, this is hypocrisy at its worst. Nationwide, more than a third of Republicans say that Islam should be illegal in the United States, according to a new PPP poll provided exclusively to Daily Kos Elections. Nearly half—a 44 percent plurality—say Christianity should be our official religion.
So what about that pesky freedom of religion guaranteed by the Constitution? You know, that whole "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof?" Well, PPP asked about that too. And guess what? Just one in 20 Republicans admit to wanting to actually eliminate freedom of religion, even though so many of them had just espoused positions that would do exactly that!
Source: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/07...l-religion
That's scary as well. How about we fuck the Republicans and fuck Christianity as well? Or should this sort of thinking only apply to Islam?
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