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[Joods]

That's the point: enjoyment has very little to do with why certain vocations are dominated by certain genders.

If we're talking about garbage men and cashiers, sure, but I don't think that applies to the examples I gave. I think most Americans who are pilots and hairdressers are those things because they have an interest in the field... and they enjoy that type of stuff.

Actually, being in school for cosmetology, myself, I could argue the fact that it's not something I ever longed or desired to do. At age 44, I am the oldest student in my class and in the school, at present. Whenever we get new students in the class and we are asked why we wanted to do this, my answer has and will always be: 

I picked this because I can get through school in a fair amount of time and after being a stay at hom mom for 20 years, I have no marketable job skills and needed something to do. When I started this, I had no idea which field would appeal to me the most. I've been through skin care and nail care and hair coloring. I still have to finish out texturizing and have two more curriculums to go through which are hair design principles and then finally hair cutting. I still have no idea as to what I'll really want to do once I get my license and I graduate. 


I could additionally say that my two boys and my fiancee want me to cut their hair. My youngest daughter will, in the next two years, be attending high school, which means homecoming and prom. If I can do her hair, makeup and nails free of charge, it will save me a ton of money. 


Another student got into the school because she has three daughters of mixed heritage and she needed to learn how to do their hair. 

Different reasons and neither one of us have done this because it's what we've always longed to do.

[Catholic_Lady]

If we're talking about garbage men and cashiers, sure, but I don't think that applies to the examples I gave. I think most Americans who are pilots and hairdressers are those things because they have an interest in the field... and they enjoy that type of stuff.

Actually, being in school for cosmetology, myself, I could argue the fact that it's not something I ever longed or desired to do. At age 44, I am the oldest student in my class and in the school, at present. Whenever we get new students in the class and we are asked why we wanted to do this, my answer has and will always be: 

I picked this because I can get through school in a fair amount of time and after being a stay at hom mom for 20 years, I have no marketable job skills and needed something to do. When I started this, I had no idea which field would appeal to me the most. I've been through skin care and nail care and hair coloring. I still have to finish out texturizing and have two more curriculums to go through which are hair design principles and then finally hair cutting. I still have no idea as to what I'll really want to do once I get my license and I graduate. 


I could additionally say that my two boys and my fiancee want me to cut their hair. My youngest daughter will, in the next two years, be attending high school, which means homecoming and prom. If I can do her hair, makeup and nails free of charge, it will save me a ton of money. 


Another student got into the school because she has three daughters of mixed heritage and she needed to learn how to do their hair. 

Different reasons and neither one of us have done this because it's what we've always longed to do.

Would you say most answered that they have an interest though?

[rexbeccarox]

[Joods]

Well, considering that in the evening pre-salon class, there are a total of 13 of us. I have seen, since July, 4 people drop from class. On average, we get about 3 or 4 new students at the start of every curriculum (every six weeks). When we go around and make introductions, some say they want to do hair because they love doing hair. Two students came from the field of nursing and got burned out so they thought they'd give cosmetology a try. Three others signed up because they honestly don't really know what they want to do, but are giving this a try. There are many who do drop out eventually. Graduations for a lot of these students are few and far between as it's an hourly based program so not everyone graduates on the same date due to not all having completed their hourly requirement at the same time.

There are less than 50 day students. Senior salon students in the evening program total 15 or so. All in all, I would say the probability of students entering this profession is because they want to learn to do hair, but sadly, many drop because it's much more harder and technical than they thought it would be. There is a lot of chemistry and anatomy involved. There are safety and disinfection requirements that we have to know, that will be on our state boards. We have to know 25 different nail diseases/deformities. There are skin and hair diseases we have to recognize so that we can know whether or not to proceed with a particular service. It's a LOT of stuff to know. These young kids coming into the program weren't expecting so much technical stuff to have to learn.

I can't say with any degree of certainty that many enter the field because they love doing other people's hair, nails and/or makeup.

[Catholic_Lady]

Sorry I guess I don't follow lol. 

[GrandizerII]

Absolutely, Losty.

A question though. Do you think there is a reason why, for example, there are a lot more men who are pilots and engineers than woman who are those things, and a lot more women who are hairdressers and school teachers than men who are those things? Or is it purely because of society?

Now let me be perfectly clear on something: I do not think there is ANYTHING wrong with a man choosing to be a kindergarten teacher or with a woman choosing to be a bomber pilot. People can do what they want, and if that's what they're good at and what they want to do, go for it. Doesn't matter what you are.

But my point is perhaps there is an inherent reason why more women tend to be more interested in certain things and more men tend to be more interested in other things. Perhaps that reason is because, while there are exceptions, men and women have a certain difference to them that extends beyond just genitalia and physicality. I don't think there's anything wrong with that or that we need to try to deny this. It doesn't make one sex better than the other, just makes them different.

Again, expectations by society. Generally speaking, we are social beings and will naturally conform to the expectations thrown on us by society and culture and all that. These expectations contribute a lot to the differences we often see between genders. Of course, this is not to say differences rooted in biological differences are not real (men tend to be significantly more aggressive than women because of higher levels of testosterone, for example), but the majority of differences are socially constructed.

[Athene]

It's clear to me. I considered his behavior on the video to be quite shrewish, being defined as:(of a woman) bad-tempered or aggressively assertive; having the disposition of a shrew; nagging. The behavior itself is NOT descriptive of most women, nor is it ascribed to women alone.

However, by  definition, it's not an adjective that is used to described males. Yet, that is precisely the adjective that came to my mind when I watched this guy in action. 

Some behaviors are perceived  as unmanly, be that right or wrong. By taking this common perception into account, I simply offered a plausible explanation as to why the woman in the video may have cheated. She may have perceived him as unmanly. I feel that his behavior in the video, and his decision to post it demonstrates this.

Hope that explanation is adequate. If you disagree, that's fine. But, I see no need to change my language regarding my feelings on the matter.

Much ado about nothing. That's the explanation I was repeatedly  asked for, for essentially stating why I thought this guy  behaved like a cowardly bitch and didn't handle the situation like a man. If people somehow determine that I'm making an overarching statement in defining gender roles in general, they're really stretching it, and I suspect they know that. Or they didn't read all of the posts....I made clear that this guy's negative attributes weren't unique to, or even ascribed to most women.

Btw, be a man about it, act like a man and vice versa  are also things people say when suggesting that someone act with a degree of integrity and dignity. It's a thing, you know.

[Losty]

Absolutely, Losty.

A question though. Do you think there is a reason why, for example, there are a lot more men who are pilots and engineers than woman who are those things, and a lot more women who are hairdressers and school teachers than men who are those things? Or is it purely because of society?

Now let me be perfectly clear on something: I do not think there is ANYTHING wrong with a man choosing to be a kindergarten teacher or with a woman choosing to be a bomber pilot. People can do what they want, and if that's what they're good at and what they want to do, go for it. Doesn't matter what you are.

But my point is perhaps there is an inherent reason why more women tend to be more interested in certain things and more men tend to be more interested in other things. Perhaps that reason is because, while there are exceptions, men and women have a certain difference to them that extends beyond just genitalia and physicality. I don't think there's anything wrong with that or that we need to try to deny this. It doesn't make one sex better than the other, just makes them different.

I would say it's probably a bit of both.

[Losty]

I dunno, I think it'd be pretty insulting if we went up to a lady hairdresser and told her the only reason she thinks she likes doing that sort of thing is because society made her think so. 

I think at least in the US, pilots are pilots usually because they want to be, because they genuinely like it. And hairdressers are what they are because of the same reason. Not because of "society", at least not anymore.

I don't think that's how it works. Most of the things we think and feel, we think and feel because of what we are raised (not only by parents, but communities, schools, and society) to think and feel. It doesn't make it less real.

I have a weird passion for doing housework. It was never what I intended to do as a career, but I enjoy doing it. I love having a germ free spic and span house and I like getting it done with music playing and a cute little 1950's smile on my face. Why? Because my entire life I was raised to believe not only was that what made me a woman, but it was what made me a good woman. Ability to not only keep a clean house, but to enjoy doing so was a big factor in my worth as a female. And that kind of stuff isn't something you can just logic away. It doesn't mean I only think I enjoy it. It just means the reasons for it ever being an option as something I might love to do are that everyone told me (by words and example) that without it I couldn't be a good woman. I know as an adult that that is stupid but I still love doing it anyways.

[Edwardo Piet]

I struggle to think of any of my tastes and interests that don't have some sort of irrational basis.

As the Scottish Philosopher David Hume said: "Reason is the slave of the passions."