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RE: Christian argued that everything must have a creator
December 1, 2015 at 7:58 am
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No prob  Yeah, Universe really got shafted. That was a shame, it had potential. I felt Atlantis was pretty weak by season 5, every episode just seemed to be "get captured by Wraith, escape, rinse and repeat". All the incredible moral dilemmas and interesting stories from the earlier seasons were gone.
SG1, well... I felt seasons 9 and 10 were pretty weak also, so I think it had run its course. That's a long time for any show to keep going. It kicked ass up until then, as did Atlantis, especially seasons 1-3.
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RE: Christian argued that everything must have a creator
December 1, 2015 at 8:26 am
Who created the creator? I don't know why the ignorant keep bringing that up. No serious theologian ever proposed an argument that did not take that objection into account, bozo.
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RE: Christian argued that everything must have a creator
December 1, 2015 at 8:48 am
The fuckwit who worships morons moronic enough to be not just "theologians", but "serious theologians", has spoken, and brought down onto us the received truth that we are ignorant.
Well, let us waste no time to learn from the likes of him then.
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RE: Christian argued that everything must have a creator
December 1, 2015 at 8:48 am
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(December 1, 2015 at 8:26 am)ChadWooters Wrote: Who created the creator? I don't know why the ignorant keep bringing that up. No serious theologian ever proposed an argument that did not take that objection into account, bozo.
Right... your five and a half ways or what it was. Naive garbage written by medieval know nothings, subsequently defended against criticism by means of mass murder
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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RE: Christian argued that everything must have a creator
December 1, 2015 at 8:59 am
For every reason god is important, I'll give you five reasons why the size of my underpants is more important.
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RE: Christian argued that everything must have a creator
December 1, 2015 at 9:12 am
(December 1, 2015 at 8:59 am)robvalue Wrote: For every reason god is important, I'll give you five reasons why the size of my underpants is more important.
That's because your underpants actually does cover your ass, and does not merely make you idiotically hopeful and puffed, up like the emperor with no cloth, that something is covering your ass.
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RE: Christian argued that everything must have a creator
December 1, 2015 at 10:17 am
(December 1, 2015 at 7:12 am)Quantum Wrote: (November 30, 2015 at 5:13 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Your argument doesn't really matter to us God believers because part of believing in God is believing that He is a super natural being who, unlike us, has always existed.
So He had literally an infinite time to think about what to do, and this universe is what He came up with one day? I guess after waiting for an infinite period of time, he suddenly got bored and thought... whatever, let's throw tapeworms in there, and meteorites.
The belief is that God is not bound by the dimensions of time and space, so it doesn't work the same way where He would just be sitting there bored, doing nothing for years and years. Personally I think there is/was much more out there than this universe. I definitely think there was more before the big bang.
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RE: Christian argued that everything must have a creator
December 1, 2015 at 10:27 am
(December 1, 2015 at 7:07 am)Judi Lynn Wrote: (November 30, 2015 at 5:13 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Your argument doesn't really matter to us God believers because part of believing in God is believing that He is a super natural being who, unlike us, has always existed.
Ahh yes.. this. While it's okay for many christers to take this stance, they practically insist on shoving those beliefs down our throats so much that they actually believe the following things:
The US Constitution was based on christian principles. I dare a christian to actually cite any single part of the Constitution that verifies this to be true.
That christianity has a rightful place within the US government. Wrong. We have separation of church and state for a reason.
That it is okay to discriminate against anyone who is not a christian.
That as soon as their views are challenged, many christians scream "persecution!!"
This sort of thinking is a huge part of what is wrong with this country.
Ok, but I don't think discussing the behavior of some Christians is really the topic at hand here lol. The OP asked if the "who created the creator" argument was a convincing argument for a theist. The answer is no, because believing that God has always existed is PART OF believing in God to begin with.
What I DO find to be a convincing arguments are more the practical things:
If God is perfect, and everything came from God and was made by God, then shouldn't everything be absolutely perfect, too?
If all things are sacred because all things came from God, does that include viruses and bacteria?
Why doesn't God make Himself known to us and speak to us in our everyday lives? Why the ambiguity/mystery?
Why isn't the bible more clear cut, straight forward, and easy to understand?
...Those are the hard questions that really get people thinking.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: Christian argued that everything must have a creator
December 1, 2015 at 11:00 am
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(December 1, 2015 at 10:17 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (December 1, 2015 at 7:12 am)Quantum Wrote: So He had literally an infinite time to think about what to do, and this universe is what He came up with one day? I guess after waiting for an infinite period of time, he suddenly got bored and thought... whatever, let's throw tapeworms in there, and meteorites.
The belief is that God is not bound by the dimensions of time and space, so it doesn't work the same way where He would just be sitting there bored, doing nothing for years and years. Personally I think there is/was much more out there than this universe. I definitely think there was more before the big bang.
Sure, you can postulate that. God looking upon our timeline all at once kind of as we do on space, but infinitely far in all directions. Then, God could for example have its own time in which it operates and does stuff. Better yet, if the laws of our universe turn out to be deterministic, a timeline is not even necessary, as a snapshot of the state of our universe at one time contains all there is to know about our universe and its past and future.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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RE: Christian argued that everything must have a creator
December 1, 2015 at 11:05 am
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(December 1, 2015 at 11:00 am)Quantum Wrote: (December 1, 2015 at 10:17 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: The belief is that God is not bound by the dimensions of time and space, so it doesn't work the same way where He would just be sitting there bored, doing nothing for years and years. Personally I think there is/was much more out there than this universe. I definitely think there was more before the big bang.
Sure, you can postulate that. God looking upon our timeline all at once kind of as we do on space, but infinitely far in all directions. Then, God could for example have its own time in which it operates and does stuff. Better yet, if the laws of our universe turn out to be deterministic, a timeline is not even necessary, as a snapshot of the state of our universe at one time contains all there is to know about our universe and its past and future.
I really don't understand why you guys have such a need to ridicule another person's beliefs. I could have just not taken the time to answer your question.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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