So your an Athiest

[marko]

I might screw up my wordage again, but I simply believe in God. A thinking puposeful God who created creatures like us. I believe he expects us to behave in a certain way, and everyone knows what I am talking about. We all have the monkey on our back trying to persuade us in different directions. But you guys believe this is from evolution. I simply believe their are two facets to life. 1. In the end, what have you done for your fellow man. 2. Have you learned how to love. Are you full of love, do you love yourself, and have you passed that love onto others. Its mushy, but I believe this is the key to life. Not that terrible things don't happen, so no, I do not have any answers or know the details. Evidence? As I said, if there was, there would be no evil, everyone would get along. But you can not get free will to work properly unless there is no evidence. With it we would all behave acourdingly.      This is hard to do in a post!!!

I asked why you are convinced that a god exists, and you wrote a paragraph telling me what you believe.

I already know, in general terms, what you believe. But I want to know why you believe. Why are you convinced?

I live my life with the desire to have as many true beliefs as possible, and as few false beliefs. There are methods that are proven to achieve that on a consistent basis. That method is basing ones beliefs on demonstrable evidence, reasoned argument and valid and sound logic.

Believing just because you "simply believe" is not a path to truth. It is no different than gullibility. Same goes for believing based on faith.

Simon, that last post was not intended for you. I would love to explain exactly why I believe what I do. But first I had to tell you what I believe. I need time to try to formulate a lifes worth of thought to be able to put it into a post.

[Simon Moon]

You guys are funny. You really believe you are outside the box. We all believe what makes us comfy, to a point. I have no evidence, but neither do you. You don't even know you need evidence, "I am an athiest". You think that is a catch all phrase. We all need evidence. Mine is found inside myself, yours is found outside yourself. We all wonder why bad things happen to good people, why do we love, where does hate, justice, etc. come from, whats it all about. You put on a front like it dosn't matter, or you never think of such things. You think its from our neurons or whatever. I'm sure you believe in evolution, talk about your mental masterbation. But you do believe its from something. Come back down to Earth. And one more thing, thanks for the comment about my english--Public Schools

Atheism is not a claim that needs to be supported by evidence. It is a response to a claim.

Theists believe a god exists. Atheists disbelieve that claim. Theists are the ones with the burden of proof.

If theists want to convince atheists that a god exists, it is up to them to provide evidence. Atheists don't need to provide evidence that a god does not exist, any more than those that disbelief in: Bigfoot, alien abductions, ancient aliens, etc need to provide evidence that they don't exist.

Mine is found inside myself, yours is found outside yourself. We all wonder why bad things happen to good people, why do we love, where does hate, justice, etc. come from, whats it all about. You put on a front like it dosn't matter, or you never think of such things. You think its from our neurons or whatever.

All those things matter. I think about them often.

There are natural explanations for all of them. No need for the supernatural.

[Whateverist]

Marko, you were an atheist too before your parents shoved the bullshit down your throat.
Not believing is the default position.

Do you understand that concept?
Being driven to atheism is what happens when you're not driven to church and brainwashed....
Sad but true...

This is good, a lot of you have said this, but I like how this is worded. " Not believing is the default position". Now if only it can be said without the baggage of evolution following behind. I have a question, do you believe in evolution as a fallback to believe in something, as the National Acadamy of Sciences tells you to, or do you believe in evolution for the sake of evolution itself.'' Not believing is the default position'' can stand on its own. I think it would do atheism better to leave it out.

No I believe evolution best describes the way life on this earth came to look the way it does because IT DOES.  This isn't in question and gods or no gods will have to get along with it since it isn't going away.

Just don't think we keep evolution around as some foundational basis for atheism.  It isn't.  Evolution is simply good science.  No god is simply my hunch since I've never seen a god and have no fricking idea what we are even talking about.

[Whateverist]

I might screw up my wordage again, but I simply believe in God. A thinking puposeful God who created creatures like us. I believe he expects us to behave in a certain way, and everyone knows what I am talking about.

I doubt that anyone knows what you're talking about when it comes to god. Where'd you get your concept of gods anyway? Are you sure you weren't sold a bill of goods as a baby?

We all have the monkey on our back trying to persuade us in different directions. But you guys believe this is from evolution. I simply believe their are two facets to life. 1. In the end, what have you done for your fellow man. 2. Have you learned how to love. Are you full of love, do you love yourself, and have you passed that love onto others. Its mushy, but I believe this is the key to life. Not that terrible things don't happen, so no, I do not have any answers or know the details. Evidence? As I said, if there was, there would be no evil, everyone would get along. But you can not get free will to work properly unless there is no evidence. With it we would all behave acourdingly.      This is hard to do in a post!!!

Yeah, pretty mushy alright. But life fills me with wonder and appreciation. If all this was just the arbitrary creation of some magic genie I would feel cheated.

[Whateverist]

You guys are funny. You really believe you are outside the box.

I'm sure not interested in fitting into any of the boxes you offer.

We all believe what makes us comfy, to a point. I have no evidence, but neither do you. You don't even know you need evidence,

And I still don't know that I need evidence either way where gods are concerned. It isn't a front burner issue for me. Truth be told, other than these forums I never think about gods in RL.

"I am an athiest". You think that is a catch all phrase. We all need evidence. Mine is found inside myself, yours is found outside yourself.

Hey, whatever gets you through the night. But this is all about you trying to keep your worldview afloat. We're fine.

We all wonder why bad things happen to good people, why do we love, where does hate, justice, etc. come from, whats it all about. You put on a front like it dosn't matter, or you never think of such things. You think its from our neurons or whatever. I'm sure you believe in evolution, talk about your mental masterbation. But you do believe its from something. Come back down to Earth.

You sound a little desperate. We're really fine. Save your self.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

J00r

[Alex K]

Why should having a realistic non-fairy tale notion of how the mind works prevent us from thinking about problems of suffering and injustice? No magic is required for that, quite the opposite.

[Homeless Nutter]

You guys are funny. You really believe you are outside the box. We all believe what makes us comfy, to a point. I have no evidence, but neither do you. [...]

And consequently - we don't demand that the entire world bows down before our imaginary friend and adheres to his "will". And yet the believers do... We don't demand tax-exempt status for our organizations. The believers do... We don't waste a lot of time making sniveling yet insincere apologies for arbitrary transgressions, to invisible tyrants, existence of which cannot be proven. The believers - do... We don't beg supernatural forces for help with our personal problems and responsibilities. The believers, of course do.

We do however treat this life as if it's the only one we have and try to postpone death as much as possible. So do the believers, oddly enough...  In fact - the believers do everything that atheists do - and then some exclusive stuff with no evident positive consequences, like praying, building worship sites, protesting against freedom of speech, etc.

So what are we supposed to prove to you? That you should wear seat-belts and look around before crossing the street, because god is not going to protect you and when you die - it's game over? Well, you guys seem to have figured that out by yourselves...

[Alex K]

I think I got it figured out! God is in the course of Ferberizing his creation!

[ignoramus]

I had to look that up! Quite suitable!