Why do Atheists defend Islam?

[Mechaghostman2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewtSdL9xa_Q

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And here's a list of various sources that challenge that "small minority" myth.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/...-polls.htm

[CapnAwesome]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewtSdL9xa_Q

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And here's a list of various sources that challenge that "small minority" myth.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/...-polls.htm

Your profile picture is angry and pale. Maybe more time outdoors? I consider myself pretty critical of Islam, but Abaris is right, you just come off as a bigot.

[Cato]

Specifically addressing FGM:

Historically, the first mention of male and female circumcision appears in the writings by the Greek geographer Strabo, who visited Egypt around 25 B.C.

"One of the customs most zealously observed among the Egyptians is this, that they rear every child that is born, and circumcise the males, and excise the females," Strabo wrote in his 17-volume work Geographica.

http://news.discovery.com/human/female-g...121210.htm

Seems the practice is quite a bit older than Islam. The article is also careful to note that the exact origins of FGM are unknown to us; however, there are reasons to believe the practice originated in sub-Saharan Africa. 

Here's a link to a U.N. report on the subject. The 90% level in Egypt previously stated is corroborated.
http://www.unfpa.org/sites/default/files...281%29.pdf

I must conclude that FGM is not an Islamic issue in and of itself; however, I think it is also fair to conclude that given Islamic culture's widespread misogyny and the way Islamic jurisprudence treats women that Islam is a contributing factor to why FGM is so prevalent in Muslim nations. I'll even go so far as to say that Islam, as it is practiced in many parts of the world is not a solution to the atrocity of FGM; in fact it's a hindrance.

This is just my way of framing my contribution to this discussion. As with all issues it's easy to create false dichotomies, in this case "is it Islamic or is it not". Both camps will point to the minimum facts required to support their position and content themselves with tossing those grenades back and forth without ever reaching a consensus on what the problem actually is in an effort to find common ideological understanding upon which a compromised/pragmatic solution can be achieved.

[Mechaghostman2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewtSdL9xa_Q

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And here's a list of various sources that challenge that "small minority" myth.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/...-polls.htm

Your profile picture is angry and pale. Maybe more time outdoors? I consider myself pretty critical of Islam, but Abaris is right, you just come off as a bigot.

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Specifically addressing FGM:

Historically, the first mention of male and female circumcision appears in the writings by the Greek geographer Strabo, who visited Egypt around 25 B.C.

"One of the customs most zealously observed among the Egyptians is this, that they rear every child that is born, and circumcise the males, and excise the females," Strabo wrote in his 17-volume work Geographica.

http://news.discovery.com/human/female-g...121210.htm

Seems the practice is quite a bit older than Islam. The article is also careful to note that the exact origins of FGM are unknown to us; however, there are reasons to believe the practice originated in sub-Saharan Africa. 

Here's a link to a U.N. report on the subject. The 90% level in Egypt previously stated is corroborated.
http://www.unfpa.org/sites/default/files...281%29.pdf

I must conclude that FGM is not an Islamic issue in and of itself; however, I think it is also fair to conclude that given Islamic culture's widespread misogyny and the way Islamic jurisprudence treats women that Islam is a contributing factor to why FGM is so prevalent in Muslim nations. I'll even go so far as to say that Islam, as it is practiced in many parts of the world is not a solution to the atrocity of FGM; in fact it's a hindrance.

This is just my way of framing my contribution to this discussion. As with all issues it's easy to create false dichotomies, in this case "is it Islamic or is it not". Both camps will point to the minimum facts required to support their position and content themselves with tossing those grenades back and forth without ever reaching a consensus on what the problem actually is in an effort to find common ideological understanding upon which a compromised/pragmatic solution can be achieved.

It may not have been started by Islam, and it may not be practiced in only Muslim majority nations, but the fact that some Muslims still do it and think it moral is still a problem.

[abaris]

It may not have been started by Islam, and it may not be practiced in only Muslim majority nations, but the fact that some Muslims still do it and think it moral is still a problem.

Uhm, let's see, dispising people, just because they belong to a certain group? I'm not sure, how one should define that? Bigotry? Can't be, since they aren't a race, as grandmaster Dawkins says. Haven't you got the memo? Quoting Dawkins or any other of the atheist posterboys doesn't grant you a free ride. Rule of thumb, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, what could it possibly be?

But it's no surprise that trying to weasel out by playing the not a race card is your next trick. Old hat, actually, since many have pulled that out of their ass before you even joined up here. But it's just semantic wanking. Bigotry can be directed against any given group. Even cyclists. No race required to be a bigot. And an ignorant one at that.

[Mechaghostman2]

It may not have been started by Islam, and it may not be practiced in only Muslim majority nations, but the fact that some Muslims still do it and think it moral is still a problem.

Uhm, let's see, dispising people, just because they belong to a certain group? I'm not sure, how one should define that? Bigotry? Can't be, since they aren't a race, as grandmaster Dawkins says. Haven't you got the memo? Quoting Dawkins or any other of the atheist posterboys doesn't grant you a free ride. Rule of thumb, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, what could it possibly be?

But it's no surprise that trying to weasel out by playing the not a race card is your next trick. Old hat, actually, since many have pulled that out of their ass before you even joined up here. But it's just semantic wanking. Bigotry can be directed against any given group. Even cyclists. No race required to be a bigot. And an ignorant one at that.

Yeah because stating facts and quoting statistics is totally bigotry. Now please, let's shut the conversation down by calling everyone a bigot rather than discussing the criticism. That really shows how educated and loving of free speech you are. Oh wait, no, no it doesn't. It shows your intellectual cowardice.

[FatAndFaithless]

Yikes.

[abaris]

Yeah because stating facts and quoting statistics are totally bigotry.

Still waiting for your reliable sources, if I may say so. Reliable as in not UKIP, Breitbart or Stormfront. I'm pretty sure, I said that before.

You know the definition of fact? It's something that can be proven. It's not something brown and aromatic pulled from rightwingers ass.

[Homeless Nutter]

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You can convert to Judaism. In fact - you pretty much have to, if you want to marry a Jew and remain on good terms with your spouse's family (that's because most religious Jews are bigots too). So I guess most racists, who despise Jews didn't get the memo...

[FatAndFaithless]

This is the kind of 'edgy angry teen atheist' shit that makes me rub my temples. This is the stereotype that people make fun of.