Why do Atheists defend Islam?

[God of Mr. Hanky]

Not all religions are quite the same on these, while most of them encourage charity to poor children, even while they teach the opposite political position regarding their care.

You might want to read up on the Quran at some time. It is virtually on the same lines as the bible. As has been said, you find all the good and bad the other religions have too. Such as the above. And at the time in question, it was much more tolerant than Western christianity. It isn't a handbook on how to wage war, as it isn't handbook on love peace and happiness.

So, yes, going by their scriptures, all religions are indeed the same.

Ok, so you see no significantly influential difference on Society X whether it's the bible or the koran which they've been teaching from for the past 1000+ years. So then, why are Muslim values and moral teachings so disparate from Christian values in so many societies where Muslims exist? Why are Muslims so different from the Christians in New York? Even here, their women still wear head scarves when they're out. Why so much less value on scientific progress? Why so few (if any) Nobel Prize-winning Muslims for a group which compreises at least 1/3 of the global population?

You guys have been saying there's other reasons than Mohammad and his book, but I still haven't seen them listed. I've taken multiple stabs at guessing what they may be after considerable thought besides the book, and the consensus by those of you who know more than I is that it isn't that. It's not the man Mohammad vs. Jesus or Moses, and it isn't the Arab cultural background either. When it comes to tolerance, I still find that dubious, depending on where there was tolerance (e.g., Alexandria was a tolerant city, but it was no more Muslim while that was so than it was pagan or Xtian). Is it really the Crusaders who shaped the culture of hatred, after the Arabs strode into Israel with their Korans, a place where they had little use for other than proselytizing (where the Israelis practiced agriculture, which Arabs had little respect or use for then)?

I'm listening, so please enlighten me.

[Amine]

Why do atheists defend Islam? The ones that do, because they are haters. They became atheists because they are contrarians and they defend Islam because they are contrarians. Wrong reason.

[abaris]

You guys have been saying there's other reasons than Mohammad and his book, but I still haven't seen them listed.

First, some important ones have been listed. Excuse, if we don't compile the whole history of the last 600 years for you. One can expect that you at least have a look at the last century. As in books. We all took that step. Some of us, being old enough, also saw what happened within the last 40 years with our own eyes. For example, how the Palestinian movement turned from nationalist leftist to dogmatic religious. The reasons for that are pretty obvious and one would think, they are still in public memory.

Why do atheists defend Islam? The ones that do, because they are haters. They became atheists because they are contrarians and they defend Islam because they are contrarians. Wrong reason.

I think, this has been answered as nauseam. I'm actually tired of repeating what so many said before. Noone defends religion. We tend to defend people, if they are unjustly thrown under the same blanket without looking at their individuality and their differences. And we tend to do that with all groups of people that are attacked in a similar way. It's just that the fashion right now is muslim bashing.

[God of Mr. Hanky]

First, some important ones have been listed. Excuse, if we don't compile the whole history of the last 600 years for you. One can expect that you at least have a look at the last century. As in books. We all took that step. Some of us, being old enough, also saw what happened within the last 40 years with our own eyes. For example, how the Palestinian movement turned from nationalist leftist to dogmatic religious. The reasons for that are pretty obvious and one would think, they are still in public memory.

I think, this has been answered as nauseam. I'm actually tired of repeating what so many said before. Noone defends religion. We tend to defend people, if they are unjustly thrown under the same blanket without looking at their individuality and their differences. And we tend to do that with all groups of people that are attacked in a similar way. It's just that the fashion right now is muslim bashing.

Thank you for confirming what I've suspected - as Anime has observed, you are a contrarian who likes to fuck with other people's heads! You hate everyone, and would use anybody in any group, no matter what they have in common, if you see an opportunity to beat them up on anything. People like you are the reason why it was so late in life before I was able to accept my own atheism, not wanting to be like those dickheads.

I have followed this thread from the beginning, and no sensible alternative cause has been presented at all. Everything which you can cite boils down to Muslim fundamentalism. Oh, the West hurt them, as if Westerners have never been harmed by other cultures before, so they've been throwing a tantrum ever since the Crusades! Oh, we exploited the ME for oil and then more of them had honest jobs instead of making excuses to kill each other even more than they have this past century, and we're the bad guy for that! The opportunists among them rallied up fundamentalism, and then girls could not show their faces outside. There are Christians in Africa which have similar problems where they've gone fundamentalist, but you are really overreaching to say it's the same. Even during the Spanish Inquisition, they had to invent "demonic possession" to justify killing for heresy or blasphemy.

You probably do know a lot, but I'm done discussing anything with such a parochial dick!

[abaris]

Thank you for confirming what I've suspected - as Anime has observed, you are a contrarian who likes to fuck with other people's heads!

Thanks, coming from the likes of you, I take that as a compliment. Your constant refusal of getting an informed opinion speaks volumes. So, yes, I can be a contrarian. I'm a contrarian when it comes to arrogant ignorance, delivered from the high horse.

[God of Mr. Hanky]

Thank you for confirming what I've suspected - as Anime has observed, you are a contrarian who likes to fuck with other people's heads!

Thanks, coming from the likes of you, I take that as a compliment. Your constant refusal of getting an informed opinion speaks volumes. So, yes, I can be a contrarian. I'm a contrarian when it comes to arrogant ignorance, delivered from the high horse.

YOU: "I insist your theory isn't so because I said it isn't, and there's reason why it isn't, but I'm not going to say because I don't have to just because I made the claim"

You're a dickhead alright.

[abaris]

You're a dickhead alright.

I'm not even going there. Other than saying what many of us said. Don't even try to analyse us. People have offered their opinions, you reject them - nuff said.

[God of Mr. Hanky]

You're a dickhead alright.

I'm not even going there. Other than saying what many of us said. Don't even try to analyse us. People have offered their opinions, you reject them - nuff said.

That is false. I have stated my ideas respectfully, they were denied without supportive reason other than "there are reasons". I inquired further on these respectfully, I was met by you with disrespect. You, specifically, and the discussion was en route to becoming productive before you jumped in!

I've had enough dogshit for one night, thank you very much!

[abaris]

Ah, that's what they call respectfully. Well, you never learn.

[GrandizerII]

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And in fact, the Qur'an doesn't even say it the way God of Mr. Hanky said it. If anything, what it literally advocates is no different from what many Christians advocate: aggress against those who aggress against you.

Ok, my bad for thinking what the xtains taught me in their school was even a small part history, but my understanding has been that "holy wars", which they actually called their efforts to bring Islam to the world were inspired of Muck Ham Mad. This is not true? If it doesn't tell them to "kill the infidel", then who did? It this is what they teach, and it wasn't drawn from the Koran, then it must have been written by some recognized Muslim teacher while ISIS is attracting people who are not illiterate. I hate the thought that I myself will become behooved to read that shit, having no interest in it while life is so short.

Read the Qur'an one of these days, and see for yourself. There is no command to go take over the world forcefully in the Qur'an regardless of what the history of Islam was like.