Why do Atheists defend Islam?

[Mechaghostman2]

[Silver]

After all this time, you still think atheists defend Islam?

[God of Mr. Hanky]

You're beginning to make better sense than some of the regressive lefties here. I just hope that we can avoid becoming the bigger monster in the fight against the monster Islam.

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Ah, that's what they call respectfully. Well, you never learn.

...and you need to learn that having the temerity to question your ideas does not equal disrespect.

[Edwardo Piet]

You're beginning to make better sense than some of the regressive lefties here. I just hope that we can avoid becoming the bigger monster in the fight against the monster Islam.

There already is a bigger monster.

Radical violent Islam isn't quite the biggest monster: Collateral damage is.

I'd say violent Islam probably comes as a close second. Blowing yourself up and killing others in the process in the name of God, isn't exactly pretty.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

I definitely think there is a problem on the left in the Uk (currently) with progressive anti-progressiveness, akin to what Dawkins seems to refer to in his tweet. The 'respect' card has been played far too much without any sense as to what needs to be respected.

The U.K. a left has always had that fringe anti-semetic pro-totalitarian wing which has dominated the Labour Party when they begin to split (Corbyn, Livingstone, fucking George Galloway of all people). It's quite hilarious really. You can go back a couple of years and see Galloway lambasting Cameron for wanting to be involved in Syria, then as soon as Russia begin campaigns there you can see him supporting Russia as an example of what the west failed to do. Corbs et al. Are just the tip of that particular pro-extremist Trotskyist narrative which has now unfortunately infested the labour party. I'm ashamed as a liberal that Syrians themselves are barred or heckled out of meetings that anti-war campaigners invite them to when they express their support for ousting ISIS and Assad using military means.

It's the new and supported MO. Shut down conversation with accusations of intolerance and offence, or sign a petition looking to ban someone because they're said something you don't like.

Please don't read this as a position in support of Trump et al, or those who want to turn away refugees or literally kill people because of their religion. Fuck that. But people need to be reminded it seems that banning something, or shouting down people who may hold a contrary view, does not in fact solve things. It exacerbates them more often than not. I don't come at this as a layman in British politics at least. I spent the better part of 8 years studying and assessing community and political relations in British cities and nationwide as a whole. I've had to turn my back on the Labour Party and support the liberals, which effectively leaves me party-less.

[God of Mr. Hanky]

You're beginning to make better sense than some of the regressive lefties here. I just hope that we can avoid becoming the bigger monster in the fight against the monster Islam.

There already is a bigger monster.

Radical violent Islam isn't quite the biggest monster: Collateral damage is.

I'd say violent Islam probably comes as a close second. Blowing yourself up and killing others in the process in the name of God, isn't exactly pretty.

There's also the monster of US militarism, and the Trumpers who want to put everyone who they dislike behind razor wire. But if I got sidetracked on trying to argue who the biggest bogey is, I'm done with that now. I can only wish I could see any possible way of stopping this runaway train we're all on before it crashes - preferably one which does not end in either all of us having to live under either Islamic law, or the facism of Xtian f***tard theocracy!

[Edwardo Piet]

I would say collateral damage is worst of all. It gets many many innocent people killed, all from a distance. Without acknowledging the severity of the damage caused.

And if that isn't empathy-sucking enough during such coldblooded killing: Now there's drones.

[WinterHold]

Huh ?

Actually, atheists are the most vicious critics of Islam, and that comes from my own personal experience in this forum !

With the fanatic Christians, Jews and nationalistic fanatics -I count nationalism as a religion-, arguments come out of blind hate and are mostly so stupid, uneducated and inclining more towards warmongering and spilling fuel on the turmoil.

Actually, they look like your profile picture.. The arguments I mean.

Atheists on the other hand, discuss smartly with well placed arguments, I was made fun of and furthermore insulted by atheists more than anybody else, I was wounded so bad in debates and had to think twice before writing any argument. And believe me, they don't like Islam xD

If you ask members here, I was led to explode before in discussions.

Discussion with atheists can turn a weak believer into an atheist. While discussion with "anti-theists" and "nationalistic brats" make Muslims more Muslims if you get my meaning

Not defending atheists in here. Just saying the truth.

So please OP, stop warmongering. I advice you to meet another member here (mralstoner), you make a pretty good team.

[ReptilianPeon]

Actually, atheists are the most vicious critics of Islam, and that comes from my own personal experience in this forum !

I dunno. Donald Trump has mostly Christian supporters who cheer when he says such things as "people of the Ummah should wear badges in public". I don't hear Richard Dawkins or Lawrence Kraus trying to emulate Adolf Hitler. And it's certainty not Atheists who work at Fox News.

But, I agree, the OP is clearly misinformed if he thinks Atheists don't treat the Quran equally to other relgious texts. Certainly, there are some people weird people who think that it's racist (WTF?) to comment on the Quran, but these are a minority and are obviously in bed with those Saudi funded Fascist organizations who set up Dawah tables in Western cities who claim to be peaceful despite that fact that their victimhood mentality is driving people to DAESH.

People who say that you can't both criticize Western foreign policy and the Quran are mentally deficient. I will condemn warmongering of all kinds. It's not an either or situation. The reason we have so many terrorists is because of the fascists in control of the United States. Arabs used to be more secular until the Americans started drinking oil form Saudi penis.

[Mechaghostman2]

Huh ?

Actually, atheists are the most vicious critics of Islam, and that comes from my own personal experience in this forum !

With the fanatic Christians, Jews and nationalistic fanatics -I count nationalism as a religion-, arguments come out of blind hate and are mostly so stupid, uneducated and inclining more towards warmongering and spilling fuel on the turmoil.

Actually, they look like your profile picture.. The arguments I mean.

Atheists on the other hand, discuss smartly with well placed arguments, I was made fun of and furthermore insulted by atheists more than anybody else, I was wounded so bad in debates and had to think twice before writing any argument. And believe me, they don't like Islam xD

If you ask members here, I was led to explode before in discussions.

Discussion with atheists can turn a weak believer into an atheist. While discussion with "anti-theists" and "nationalistic brats" make Muslims more Muslims if you get my meaning

Not defending atheists in here. Just saying the truth.

So please OP, stop warmongering. I advice you to meet another member here (mralstoner), you make a pretty good team.

I'm not warmongering and that is a big strawman of my position. I critique Islam and those who follow it closely and take it seriously because a great many human rights abuses comes out of it, like stoning a woman for being raped in Saudi Arabia. 

I'm not denying there are Liberal Muslims and non-devout Muslims and just overall nice Muslim people in general, in fact I know a few of them myself. But, in the words of Richard Dawkins: