Why do Atheists defend Islam?

[Wyrd of Gawd]

[Amine]

[Jackie]

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Jesus was kind of queer.  He never recommended marriage or even getting the hots for members of the opposite sex.  He thought cutting off body parts was better, even to the point of self-castration.  He did think it was a good idea to marry your older brother's widow.

Um no sorry, someone refraining from a relationship does not make them gay. There are BOTH heterosexuals and gays who refrain from sex or dating simply because even if only temporary, simply don't want the hassle. I am 49 and I don't date. Been there done that been married too.

Religion does however, demonize gays and that is bullshit.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Sigh. Are you really not reading my post or something? First I explained how there isn't even a contradiction. Then I explained that even if there was, there is an explicit rule that if there ever is a contradiction, the later verse trumps the earlier one. Jeez.

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[God of Mr. Hanky]

And by which evidence did you go, exactly ?
the same sources that Sunnies and Shia use to justify their crimes ?

I mean where can you run from this verse in the Quran :

( Sura 2 Verse 256 )   There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.

I mean, this is the doctrine and constitution of Mohammed; how did he expand religion by the sword if his own constitution included this ?

Please, don't throw the acts of Sunnies and Shia on Mohammed. The Islamic conquests took place after Mohammed's death.

Though, I do agree with you on that Jesus would never call for crusades, He too -Jesus- believed that there shall be no compulsion in the acceptance of the religion.

Jesus condemned whole towns to hell fire because they didn't believe in him.  When he returns he will torture everyone, destroy the environment, kill all life, and blow up the Earth.  And if you didn't believe in him he will throw your butt into the lake of fire.  

He's not a nice guy at all.

No, that wasn't really Jesus, that's just a jerky faction of his followers - yeah, that's it!

[Mister Agenda]

Yes, you have us all figured out, do you? And no atheist here is defending Islam. And no one here AFAIK is being PC. I'm all for shitting on Islam and its doctrines but at the same time, be real and keep things in perspective and don't harm good Muslims with hateful words.

I don't know what the difference is between shitting on its doctrines and harming good Muslims with hateful words. What about saying they idiotically believe in some blood thirsty imaginary friend cooked up by a 7th century barbarian who raped a 9 year old?

For one thing, Shia put Asha in her late teens to early twenties when her marriage was consummated. Sunni have a vested interest in her being as young as possible so it will seem more miraculous that she transmitted the Koran.

[Mister Agenda]

Jesus was kind of queer.  He never recommended marriage or even getting the hots for members of the opposite sex.  He thought cutting off body parts was better, even to the point of self-castration.  He did think it was a good idea to marry your older brother's widow.

Um no sorry, someone refraining from a relationship does not make them gay. There are BOTH heterosexuals and gays who refrain from sex or dating simply because even if only temporary, simply don't want the hassle. I am 49 and I don't date. Been there done that been married too.

Religion does however, demonize gays and that is bullshit.

I think he meant queer as in 'strange'.

[God of Mr. Hanky]

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Jesus was kind of queer.  He never recommended marriage or even getting the hots for members of the opposite sex.  He thought cutting off body parts was better, even to the point of self-castration.  He did think it was a good idea to marry your older brother's widow.

In fairness, this idea applied to a culture where a widow's situation was so bleak that an available single man who cared about his brother and her husband would not normally feel decent about not marrying her.

If you were that brother in that culture, then this would not stop you from marrying who you like. Monogamy became an ideal in Judaism since the Jews returned from Babylonian exile, but it was not enforced and probably would not be expected in such a situation.

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[Wyrd of Gawd]

If every muslim renounced Islam would allah show himself?