Where do Christians get this idea that atheists defend Islam

[Minimalist]

The same place they get all their stupid ideas..... FOX.

[paulpablo]

I can only post three videos at a time, but there's pretty much videos made by Muslims, from every part of Europe that want to not only force their laws into government but abandon the old man made government altogether in favor of sharia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzXH02-z7ow

Just watched the first one, and let me point out there is no clear context to these various still pictures. In fact, some of these still pictures aren't even advocating for Sharia in France. One of them is simply saying she is both French and Muslim with the statement in French:"What's the problem with that?"

Well I did use three videos and articles from Wikipedia.

My only point was to show that there are indeed Muslims who want to change the man made laws of whatever lands they are in to laws which they believe are divine.

Additionally I don't see how those pictures could be taken in any other context than they want sharia law for France as opposed to laws that already exist in France, il update more evidence on this thread though later that Muslims quite often do want to change laws in countries

[Whateverist]

Q: Where do Christians get this idea that atheists defend Islam?


A: Essentially the same place they get the god they believe in .. they just make it up.

[paulpablo]

Ok just another response I have to the claim that Muslims don't want to change our governments or laws and they don't act self entitled.

Also dealing with the other claim that Muslims holding signs saying "SHARIA FOR FRANCE" is inconclusive evidence that Muslims want Sharia law in France.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoFfktIzIMA

Basically this man says Muslims are oppressed in France and as a result want to take up arms, he says the system is rotten, it's going to blow up in France, the first Islamophobic country and friend of Israel. He gets a huge round of applause from the Muslims around him.

This is followed by videos of Muslims praying in the centre of the street so that vehicles can't pass through.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQjL31sdtzo


At 3:30  "Imran is looking forward to replacing Belgian law with Sharia law, including amputation for theft, stoning for adultery and death to homosexuals."

If you're still interested in this topic, or find my claims unreasonable that many Muslims are trying to change laws in non Muslim countries and feel entitled to do so I think I can find more videos or more websites of Islamic groups who openly have these things as goals.

[abaris]

I always hear this among Christians and it seems to be a rather common complaint Christians have. Do they know that the reason we separate radical Islam such as ISIS and normal Islam and two different things? Why does this bother them so much? I think it's just another persecution complex. After all, despite popular belief among Christians; Islamic's aren't trying to force their laws into our government and don't act like self entitled pricks.

It's also atheists getting the same impression. It's because they make no distinction between people and religion, radicals and people simply going about their business without hurting anyone.

I'm the last to defend any religion, and my feelings towards radicals are a mixture between pity for a wasted lifetime and disgust. But what I never did and never will do, is looking at the Kebap man on the corner with suspicion.

At 3:30 "Imran is looking forward to replacing Belgian law with Sharia law, including amputation for theft, stoning for adultery and death to homosexuals."

Yes, and I want to replace all the worlds law with my legislation. Everything into my pocket and my rules are globaly applied. Think that will happen? Oh, I so much want that to happen.

So, what's your point? Thinking that the above quoted part will happen? Enforced by 3 or 4 percent of the population? Sometimes I'm really not sure, if I'm dealing with reasonable persons anymore.

[Lemonvariable72]

I always hear this among Christians and it seems to be a rather common complaint Christians have. Do they know that the reason we separate radical Islam such as ISIS and normal Islam and two different things? Why does this bother them so much? I think it's just another persecution complex. After all, despite popular belief among Christians; Islamic's aren't trying to force their laws into our government and don't act like self entitled pricks.

Bulllshit there not 
http://www.theguardian.com/news/blog/200...nadaalmost
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorial...rians.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...demic.html

[paulpablo]

I always hear this among Christians and it seems to be a rather common complaint Christians have. Do they know that the reason we separate radical Islam such as ISIS and normal Islam and two different things? Why does this bother them so much? I think it's just another persecution complex. After all, despite popular belief among Christians; Islamic's aren't trying to force their laws into our government and don't act like self entitled pricks.

It's also atheists getting the same impression. It's because they make no distinction between people and religion, radicals and people simply going about their business without hurting anyone.

I'm the last to defend any religion, and my feelings towards radicals are a mixture between pity for a wasted lifetime and disgust. But what I never did and never will do, is looking at the Kebap man on the corner with suspicion.

At 3:30 "Imran is looking forward to replacing Belgian law with Sharia law, including amputation for theft, stoning for adultery and death to homosexuals."

Yes, and I want to replace all the worlds law with my legislation. Everything into my pocket and my rules are globaly applied. Think that will happen? Oh, I so much want that to happen.

So, what's your point? Thinking that the above quoted part will happen? Enforced by 3 or 4 percent of the population? Sometimes I'm really not sure, if I'm dealing with reasonable persons anymore.

I stated my point in the post where I was making the point at the start of the post.

My reply was to the statement that Muslims do not try to force their laws into government and don't act entitled.

I think it's quite unreasonable of you to not see my point since it is typed quite clearly at the start of each of my posts, then to try and say my point is that I think Muslims will enforce sharia law, which I've never made in this post, on this thread, or in any other part of the forum.

[drfuzzy]

I have worked with, studied with and employed people "fresh off the boat." People who claim to want to intergrate into society, but only in so far as to allow for their vices. (Drinking/unrestricted sex seems to be the two big objections) outside of that they all hold and maintain the core values of muslim law. (death to infadels prayer and total respect of the religion are still observed.)

I had one guy who 'immigrated' from Iraq the year before, and had another guy who fought in afganistan start to work for me 6 months after the iraqi. The 'Merican had a the word "Infadel" tattoo on the inside of his forearm in Arabic. Now as progressive as the Iraqi wanted to be, he could not get past working with a man with an infidel tattoo. once he found out everyone had general tattoos he left.

Again this guy supposedly wanted to integrate into the culture. and he himself would have been considered to be an 'infadel' by his hard core "No-go zone brothers", but because we had no regard or any respect for the Koran what so ever he felt his 'soul' was endanger and could not stay.

Point? The OP discussion and my response is about how Muslims will NOT ever fully intergrate into this culture. And if you find Christianity oppressive, then wait till you are forced to live under sharia law. where Atheists like Christians are put to death.

You know sharia means different things to different Muslims, right?

And I've lived with, and have, Muslim relatives (devout ones so to speak). Your claim that all devout Muslims want the whole world to be under Muslim rule is at least misleading, if not wrong. Misleading because some of them just don't care about such an "ultimate goal". And besides, no different from many devout Christians who believe the world will be under the rule of Jesus.

Red words mis-spelled.  I don't have time to fix the hideous grammar.  The OP, since drippy doodle also can't read, was why do xtians think Atheists defend Islam?  My answer to the OP is that xtians think atheists are satan-worshipers anyway.  And Muslims are the current hate fad, since African-Americans, Communists and homosexuals are off the table.  Xtians need to feel superior to somebody, so it's Muslims and Atheists.

(blue text) Exactly, Irrational.  Xtians pray daily for the time when "every knee shall bow to Jesus Christ".  The only difference between fundy xtians and fundy Muslims is that the Quran tells Muslims that they will fight the ultimate jihad . . . and the Babble tells xtians that they get to sit back and watch Juh-heezus make the blood flow until it rises to the horses' bridles.  They think that this will be glorious.  Just remember the Crusades - if the Babble said that "good xtians would fight to give the world to their gawd" - the xtian church probably would have eradicated every unbeliever on the planet by now.

I have more respect for the Muslim who is at least willing to risk his life, than the xtians who fantasize about attending a Mass Genocide before going to heaven with their blood-spattered gawd.

[abaris]

I think it's quite unreasonable of you to not see my point since it is typed quite clearly at the start of each of my posts, then to try and say my point is that I think Muslims will enforce sharia law, which I've never made in this post, on this thread, or in any other part of the forum.

Yes, quite so. I'm sure, you didn't try to insinuate that. Totally innocent incident of presenting a nutjob with video and caption to make absolutely no point at all.

[paulpablo]

I think it's quite unreasonable of you to not see my point since it is typed quite clearly at the start of each of my posts, then to try and say my point is that I think Muslims will enforce sharia law, which I've never made in this post, on this thread, or in any other part of the forum.

Yes, quite so. I'm sure, you didn't try to insinuate that. Totally innocent incident of presenting a nutjob with video and caption to make absolutely no point at all.

I repeat again for the 3rd time since you really are struggling to understand.

My point was to respond to the statement that Muslims don't try to force their laws into our government or act entitled to go against laws unlike Christians.

I've made no predictions or insinuations towards making a prediction in any post, I simply have shown that Muslims do want to force their laws into government and sometimes do act entitled to just completely disregard government laws in favour of sharia.