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Christians: Please Explain
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Christians: Please Explain
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I've asked this question before. I never seem to get an honest and straightforward answer. This is a map showing part of first century Palestine.

In Mark 5:1-20/Luke 8:26-39/Matt 8:28-34, Jesus comes across a man possessed by a Legion of daemons, he casts them out into a herd of pigs, and then somehow makes the pigs stampede into the Sea of Galilee to be drowned. A great tale of how Jesus saved a man possessed by evil. But there's a big problem with this story!

Mark 5:1: They went across the lake to the region of the Gerasenes.
Luke 8:26: They sailed to the region of the Gerasenes, which is across the lake from Galilee.
Matt 8:28a: When he arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes


The problem is that the location is wrong. Mark and Luke both clearly say the location is Gerasa. Gerasa is a full 50km away from the Sea, and that's in a direct line, and that's longer than a marathon. Matthew seems to be aware that Mark got it wrong, and so changed the city to Gadara. It would have taken the pigs hours and hours to stampede into the Sea, and I doubt very much that a pig could physically sustain that kind of pace for that length of time. Dogs might be able to do it, but pigs are nowhere near as athletic. Do you really think pigs could run a marathon? If pigs could fly perhaps...

Once you look at it on a map the problem is obvious. It's not as obvious if you just read it in your study-Bible notes as it offers up (seemingly) possible explanations. It's true the Bible doesn't specify the city itself, which does make it possible that the even takes place in Hippus (or perhaps south of Hippus somewhere along the Sea) - at least in Matthew. But Luke and Mark tells us it takes place in the region of Gerasa - and by region it probably means something like a 5-10km radius around the city. Since Gerasa and Gadara are both major cities there is no way they shared a "region", especially north of Gadara.
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RE: Christians: Please Explain
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RE: Christians: Please Explain
Why, it don't smell like one of them thar 'miracles' to you ??

Jesus can move seas, and cliffs, and cities and pigs around easy enough, just twitch the nose, snap the fingers, and it's done.


That wasn't so hard now, was it ??
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RE: Christians: Please Explain
Min remember back then jesus didn't have google maps or gps
Atheism is a non-prophet organization join today. 


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RE: Christians: Please Explain
Nazareth isn't important in the NT aside from the Nativity, which we sceptics throw out wholesale anyway. But, just because it hasn't been shown conclusively to have existed in the early first century to be a birthplace for Jesus doesn't mean it's been shown not to have existed at that time either.
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RE: Christians: Please Explain
That's a good question, Aractus. I'm not well versed on the bible (as is unfortunately typical for Catholics), but I'm curious to know the answer to this as well. I'm going to message Drich and see if he can answer this for us.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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RE: Christians: Please Explain
The bible is not a geography text.
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RE: Christians: Please Explain
Jesus was still better at directions than Moses . . .
 The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it. 




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