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When Atheists Can't Think Episode 1: No Evidence for God?
December 15, 2015 at 4:16 pm
(This post was last modified: December 15, 2015 at 4:54 pm by Delicate.)
One of the standard mantras atheists are taught to say is "I'm an atheist because I have seen no evidence for God."
This is not a convincing reason to be an atheist. Why?
It's possible for someone to be too blind or too ignorant to see or understand the evidence. Just like a toddler might say "I see no evidence of the validity of Quantum Mechanics" or a blind woman might say "I see no evidence of the existence of colors" the problem might be with the person and not the evidence.
Clearly, if the atheist wants the public to believe that there is no evidence, they have to be able to respond meaningfully to purported examples of theistic evidence.
Atheists here, for the most part are not competent enough to do this.
And hence, when someone says they are an atheist because they have seen no evidence, the best response seems to be to send them to an optometrist.
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RE: When Atheists Can't Think Episode 1: No Evidence for God?
December 15, 2015 at 4:18 pm
Sorry if you have talked about this before, but may I ask what is the evidence you are speaking of? Just curious. 
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RE: When Atheists Can't Think Episode 1: No Evidence for God?
December 15, 2015 at 4:27 pm
(December 15, 2015 at 4:18 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Sorry if you have talked about this before, but may I ask what is the evidence you are speaking of? Just curious.
There's a lot to say about the evidence, and how it's supposed to sit with Christian theism.
But here's a taste: https://www.calvin.edu/academic/philosop...uments.pdf
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RE: When Atheists Can't Think Episode 1: No Evidence for God?
December 15, 2015 at 4:30 pm
Here we go again.
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RE: When Atheists Can't Think Episode 1: No Evidence for God?
December 15, 2015 at 4:32 pm
(December 15, 2015 at 4:30 pm)Judi Lynn Wrote: Here we go again.
"Here we go again, with your facts and evidence and reasons! Won't leave us alone with our blind faith!"
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RE: When Atheists Can't Think Episode 1: No Evidence for God?
December 15, 2015 at 4:33 pm
Fucking dolt. I already handed you your ass on this in the other thread. I'll repeat the argument anyway.
Evidence for QM exists regardless of any individual's ignorance. The evidence is made available and is repeatable for any and all to see and participate in if they so choose. The same cannot be said for supposed evidence for god. If there was one shred of evidence it would be made known immediately for all to see. The fact that instead of demonstrating said evidence you choose to say that we are too blind to see suggests you have absolutely nothing.
There is also no such thing as theistic evidence. You've got nothing but bullshit arguments that setup some type of ignorant quandary in which to insert your notion of god. It's ridiculous, it's not evidence. You cannot define or argue your deity into existence.
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RE: When Atheists Can't Think Episode 1: No Evidence for God?
December 15, 2015 at 4:35 pm
Let's nip one thing in the bud before we get too far off the beaten track. When atheists say we have seen no evidence of this stuff you're selling, what we mean and what we should be saying is we have seen no credible evidence. It's a common misspeaking, I've been guilty of it myself. Lots of things can be given as evidence, but not everything stands up to scrutiny; and whatever remains doesn't actually evidence the thing it's intended to. After all that, you need multiple points of consistent, converging evidence before you can draw a safe conclusion.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: When Atheists Can't Think Episode 1: No Evidence for God?
December 15, 2015 at 4:37 pm
(December 15, 2015 at 4:27 pm)Delicate Wrote: (December 15, 2015 at 4:18 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Sorry if you have talked about this before, but may I ask what is the evidence you are speaking of? Just curious.
There's a lot to say about the evidence, and how it's supposed to sit with Christian theism.
But here's a taste: https://www.calvin.edu/academic/philosop...uments.pdf
Wow, that's long. I'll have to take a look. Did you write it?
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: When Atheists Can't Think Episode 1: No Evidence for God?
December 15, 2015 at 4:37 pm
(December 15, 2015 at 4:32 pm)Delicate Wrote: (December 15, 2015 at 4:30 pm)Judi Lynn Wrote: Here we go again.
"Here we go again, with your facts and evidence and reasons! Won't leave us alone with our blind faith!"
What blind faith would that be, then? #interestedtobetoldwhatibelieve
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: When Atheists Can't Think Episode 1: No Evidence for God?
December 15, 2015 at 4:39 pm
(December 15, 2015 at 4:33 pm)Cato Wrote: Fucking dolt. I already handed you your ass on this in the other thread. I'll repeat the argument anyway.
Evidence for QM exists regardless of any individual's ignorance. The evidence is made available and is repeatable for any and all to see and participate in if they so choose. The same cannot be said for supposed evidence for god. If there was one shred of evidence it would be made known immediately for all to see. The fact that instead of demonstrating said evidence you choose to say that we are too blind to see suggests you have absolutely nothing.
There is also no such thing as theistic evidence. You've got nothing but bullshit arguments that setup some type of ignorant quandary in which to insert your notion of god. It's ridiculous, it's not evidence. You cannot define or argue your deity into existence.
You expect me to take this bullshit seriously?
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