My Rebuttal to Dawkins Argument

[The Valkyrie]

First up, welcome to the forums.

Secondly, sorry, but anyone can make such claims to promote and support their religions or beliefs.

I can claim that the Eternal Teddybear, in all His Plushness, has always existed, is the creator of everything, and is outside our universe and beyond our understanding.

The claims of such things does not mean it's real.

If there's something in the universe beyond our understanding and that isn't testable, then there's no need to believe in it.

And, if such a being exists and wants the fleas upon the face of the Earth known as Humans to worship it, then it needs to show itself.

[SteelCurtain]

Well, it is not something I can have, the concept of God is axiomatic. God is there, the evidence is overwhelming. It just depends on the evidence you are exposed to.

I'll have you demonstrate this first before your go around claiming it as if it's true. As Pandae pointed out, simply asserting it has no bearing on the reality.

If the evidence is so overwhelming for the claim to be axiomatic, it should be relatively easy to demonstrate your god.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

What's your evidence of your version of whatever God it is you are a slave to?

Are you playing us by being so demonstrably hypocritical?

The evidence for a God is the Holy Quran. When read in the full context, you will understand what I mean.

Lol. So then evidence of your particular non-existent being is circular reasoning?

Wow, what an impressive thing your worship that the evidence for it can be demolished in one sentance.

Do you have any actual evidence? Why won't you answer any of mine and other's rebuttals? Asserting that what you believe is true doesn't make it so, so you've got to put your evidence where your mouth is.

[Simon Moon]

Agreed. I pick universe.

Well it depends on the evidence you have, you cannot state universe just because you " agree " with it. What is your evidence for an infinite universe?

As you said, we can all agree that the universe exists. But the fact that the universe exists, is only evidence that the universe exists.

You are the one that is adding an unnecessary entity to existence. It is up to you to provide your evidence.

And, no, your attempt at some form of the cosmological argument is not evidence.

[brewer]

The evidence for a God is the Holy Quran. When read in the full context, you will understand what I mean.

Reading about a fantasy will not provide proof. Only some kind of twisted entertainment.

[Aoi Magi]

Everyone everywhere can observe the same universe and see the exact same properties from all over the world. In case of God, even your own kind can't agree on the same definition, let alone the world. So which is more real?

You said you believe the Quran to be true based on stuff like the big bang being mentioned in there? Older religions like Hinduism also claim the same thing, so how is yours and special? Those blanket statements can be twisted to fit whatever scientific doctrine you want. But even if I assume those to be facts, why would these facts have to be from divine origin and not from human intellect?

Lastly you claim repeatedly god is far beyond human understanding, so why do you pretend to understand it? Are you some kind of inhuman freak?

[Alex K]

Obviously god lives in another dimension? Can you be more specific?

[brewer]

Please. He doesn't even have a handle on the 4th dimension.

Edit: See Post 17

[Pat Mustard]

1. The Creator is called The Creator, so how can the Creator have a creator if he is The Creator?

You still haven't answered the question, "if everything which exists was created by something else, what created god?"

2. The question can be turned around, which will allow me to ask: " If the universe created man, then who created the universe? "

What point are you trying to make? Man exists because the universe exists, that much is given, but your question makes no sense.

3. Only do things in our galaxy and universe and space-time, require a creator. God is obviously out of space and time, and the galaxy and universe, in another dimension, in which we do not understand.

Show evidence for this extra dimension for which we do not understand. Until we can show that it exists, it is perfectly reasonable, logical and sound to assume that the sum total of reality is that which we can show to be in existence, and anything posited to be outside it does not exist. So until you can point to something which shows this extra dimension you assume actually does exist, my lack of belief in god is more grounded in reality than your belief in god.

4. This is like saying that an explanation requires an explanation, which would lose you in an infinite regress, which is clearly contradictory to the bases and fundamentals of science.

I'm sorry but this doesn't even make sense.

5. Antony Flew in his book states:

Now, clearly theists and atheist can agree on one thing: if anything at all exists, there must be something preceding it that always existed. How did this eternally existing reality come to be? The answer is that it never came to be. It always existed. Take your pick: God or universe. Something always existed

So in your attempt to show that god doesn't have a creator, you admit that god needs to have a creator to exist. Give me a moment, I need to check something *Shakes Mo's head, hears loud rattle* Yeah, definitely some screws gone loose inside there Mo, I'd suggest you go see a head doctor, stat.


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As a muslim, I am not allowed to use profanity because Islam teaches me to respect people, regardless of their beliefs and views.

As the fictional character I have based my avatar on would doubtlessly say "To make a sound of hollow laughing". If you think islam teaches respect for all despite their views, you're a bigger head case than I previously thought.

[Mohammed - Muslim and Proud]

First up, welcome to the forums.

Secondly, sorry, but anyone can make such claims to promote and support their religions or beliefs.

I can claim that the Eternal Teddybear, in all His Plushness, has always existed, is the creator of everything, and is outside our universe and beyond our understanding.

The claims of such things does not mean it's real.

If there's something in the universe beyond our understanding and that isn't testable, then there's no need to believe in it.

And, if such a being exists and wants the fleas upon the face of the Earth known as Humans to worship it, then it needs to show itself.

Well a manufactured product always come with a manual or a guide, you never see the manufacturer.