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"The New Atheists are back — and dumber than ever"
RE: "The New Atheists are back — and dumber than ever"
Hokey hokey bum scrape.

So do we agree this is a Poe? I'm feeling 90/10 now.
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RE: "The New Atheists are back — and dumber than ever"
(December 25, 2015 at 5:09 pm)Delicate Wrote:
(December 25, 2015 at 4:08 pm)Stimbo Wrote: That's why I try to find out what people believe in their own words, rather than putting them into their mouths.

That's exactly what I'm doing. I'm just pointing out errors in beliefs.

No you're not Delicate, you've no interest in learning from others because you've already prejudged everybody who doesn't agree with what you say as stupider than you and not worth listening to you.
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RE: "The New Atheists are back — and dumber than ever"
A poe is a subset of trolls IMO. I have nothing but scorn to offer this ultimate intelligence haha.
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"The New Atheists are back — and dumber than ever"
(December 24, 2015 at 5:31 pm)Quantum Wrote: I have predicted the author of this thread from the title alone. Am I psychic?

LOL. You have dem gods powers!

(December 25, 2015 at 7:41 pm)Evie Wrote:
(December 25, 2015 at 6:01 pm)Delicate Wrote: I suppose I'm also pointing out the hypocrisy of people who lack belief and yet claim God doesn't exist.
I "lack" belief in the FSM... if I claim that the FSM "doesn't fucking exist" does that make me a hypocrite?

But the FSM brings presents to the good children of the world once a year on his magical sleigh!! Wait a minute....[emoji39]
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RE: "The New Atheists are back — and dumber than ever"
(December 26, 2015 at 11:51 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote:
(December 25, 2015 at 5:09 pm)Delicate Wrote: That's exactly what I'm doing. I'm just pointing out errors in beliefs.

No you're not Delicate, you've no interest in learning from others because you've already prejudged everybody who doesn't agree with what you say as stupider than you and not worth listening to you.

Well I have no interest in learning from people who haven't mastered the rudiments of critical thinking.

I'll concede that much. 

This applies equally to theists who don't know how to think. I don't want to learn from them.
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RE: "The New Atheists are back — and dumber than ever"
(December 26, 2015 at 4:26 pm)Delicate Wrote:
(December 26, 2015 at 11:51 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote: No you're not Delicate, you've no interest in learning from others because you've already prejudged everybody who doesn't agree with what you say as stupider than you and not worth listening to you.

Well I have no interest in learning from people who haven't mastered the rudiments of critical thinking.

I'll concede that much. 

This applies equally to theists who don't know how to think. I don't want to learn from them.


So...

Once again we at the point where it is time for you to present your evidence (demonstrable, verifiable, repeatable, falsifiable), and show us how you have applied critical thinking to said evidence in order to determine that your god exists.

What are you waiting for?

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: "The New Atheists are back — and dumber than ever"
(December 26, 2015 at 4:29 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:
(December 26, 2015 at 4:26 pm)Delicate Wrote: Well I have no interest in learning from people who haven't mastered the rudiments of critical thinking.

I'll concede that much. 

This applies equally to theists who don't know how to think. I don't want to learn from them.


So...

Once again we at the point where it is time for you to present your evidence (demonstrable, verifiable, repeatable, falsifiable), and show us how you have applied critical thinking to said evidence in order to determine that your god exists.

What are you waiting for?

Well, I'll be happy to do that. But there's a problem. The kind of evidence you're asking for is naively scientific. It fails to take into account non-scientific, non-experimental evidence (eg historical) and non-evidential (ie rational) bases of justification.

I'd like to make a case for a holistic (as in wide-ranging and multifaceted) as opposed to scientistic approach to justified beliefs.

It's worth pointing out that many intelligent atheists reject scientism, and rejecting scientism doesn't entail rejecting science.

To make my case, scientism must first be demolished.
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RE: "The New Atheists are back — and dumber than ever"
This scientism BS does ring familiar.
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RE: "The New Atheists are back — and dumber than ever"
"scientism"... sigh.
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RE: "The New Atheists are back — and dumber than ever"
Is that a thing?
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