Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: November 10, 2024, 2:11 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Scientific knowledge versus spiritual knowledge
#11
RE: Scientific knowledge versus spiritual knowledge
(January 3, 2016 at 12:18 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Words like evidence, proofs, knowledge, signs, existed way before scientific method.


That's called progress.
Does your weather broadcaster do a rain dance on the TV prior to announcing the 5 day forecast? Shy
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.
Reply
#12
RE: Scientific knowledge versus spiritual knowledge
(January 3, 2016 at 12:18 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Words like evidence, proofs, knowledge, signs, existed way before scientific method.

Of course. After the scientific method, there was a mechanism to actually prove if they are justified or not.

Quote:Knowledge is simply warranted justified belief. Sure knowledge is higher then that.

And the fact remains, most theists are fine with weak justification for their beliefs.

Quote:Atheists want to define words to suit their Agenda. They define "faith" in a way that makes it unreasonable to have.

The word "faith" has several definitions. The one that theists tend to use is "belief without evidence". If that is the way they are using the term, their belief is unreasonable by definition. 

What I find interesting is, most theists do not apply faith for any other claim besides their god beliefs. Ask a theist why they don't believe in: bigfoot, alien abductions, dowsing, telekinesis, Ley Lines, etc, etc, and vast majority will reject them based on the lack of evidence. But when we do the same for your god beliefs, we are the ones that are missing something. 
[/quote]

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
Reply
#13
RE: Scientific knowledge versus spiritual knowledge
Scientific knowledge. Spiritual belief. You can have spiritual knowledge but it is only knowledge about the belief.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental. 
Reply
#14
RE: Scientific knowledge versus spiritual knowledge
(January 3, 2016 at 9:35 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Scientific knowledge. Spiritual belief. You can have spiritual knowledge but it is only knowledge about the belief.

What would you put belief in morals and human value in? In spiritual belief or scientific knowledge?
Reply
#15
RE: Scientific knowledge versus spiritual knowledge
(January 3, 2016 at 9:49 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
(January 3, 2016 at 9:35 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Scientific knowledge. Spiritual belief. You can have spiritual knowledge but it is only knowledge about the belief.

What would you put belief in morals and human value in? In spiritual belief or scientific knowledge?

Practical philosophy.

Reply
#16
RE: Scientific knowledge versus spiritual knowledge
(Light hearted joke Heart )

An atheist, a deist and a religious theist find a treasure chest. It's locked up tight, and there's no way to investigate what's inside.

Atheist: "I wonder if there is anything inside."

Deist: "Of course there is something inside. I wonder what it is."

Theist: "It's a potion of eternal life."
Feel free to send me a private message.
Please visit my website here! It's got lots of information about atheism/theism and support for new atheists.

Index of useful threads and discussions
Index of my best videos
Quickstart guide to the forum
Reply
#17
RE: Scientific knowledge versus spiritual knowledge
As far as i know, the former is testable, measurable and usable, the latter is not.
Reply
#18
RE: Scientific knowledge versus spiritual knowledge
(January 4, 2016 at 3:53 am)robvalue Wrote: (Light hearted joke Heart )

An atheist, a deist and a religious theist find a treasure chest. It's locked up tight, and there's no way to investigate what's inside.

Atheist: "I wonder if there is anything inside."

Deist: "Of course there is something inside. I wonder what it is."

Theist: "It's a potion of eternal life."

Wonder what they would say if they could open it but there was nothing inside.
Reply
#19
Scientific knowledge versus spiritual knowledge
(January 3, 2016 at 12:18 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Words like evidence, proofs, knowledge, signs, existed way before scientific method.

Knowledge is simply warranted justified belief. Sure knowledge is higher then that.

Atheists want to define words to suit their Agenda. They define "faith" in a way that makes it unreasonable to have.

You asserted a lot.  A child perhaps hasn't proven to itself rationally that it has value, perpetual identity, worth, praise, etc, but it can believe in these things and be justified in doing so.  They can know a moral truth without a long justification of it and express it even the need occurs without requiring to prove it in a long philosophical argument or without relying on the scientific method to prove it.

I asserted a lot, but you didn't really address any of it in your response. I'm sorry, but it feels like you aren't really saying anything, or I am not understanding it correctly.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”

Wiser words were never spoken. 
Reply
#20
RE: Scientific knowledge versus spiritual knowledge
What the hell is an atheist's agenda?
Feel free to send me a private message.
Please visit my website here! It's got lots of information about atheism/theism and support for new atheists.

Index of useful threads and discussions
Index of my best videos
Quickstart guide to the forum
Reply



Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Fine Tuning Principle: Devastating Disproof and Scientific Refutation of Atheism. Nishant Xavier 97 10819 September 20, 2023 at 1:31 pm
Last Post: Silver
  Using the word Spiritual Bahana 44 4943 October 4, 2018 at 9:24 pm
Last Post: Lek
  Are there any scientific books or studies that explain what makes a person religious? WisdomOfTheTrees 13 2951 February 9, 2017 at 2:33 am
Last Post: Mirek-Polska
  Is atheism a scientific perspective? AAA 358 73787 January 27, 2017 at 7:49 pm
Last Post: brewer
  Theist ➤ Why ☠ Evolution is not Scientific ✔ The Joker 348 55118 November 26, 2016 at 11:47 pm
Last Post: Amarok
  Cartoons: propaganda versus the giant gorilla Deepthunk 4 2057 October 19, 2015 at 2:33 pm
Last Post: Deepthunk
  Jerry Coyne's new book: Faith Versus Fact Mudhammam 17 6441 August 13, 2015 at 12:22 am
Last Post: smsavage32
  Help: jumped on for seeking scientific proof of spiritual healing emilynghiem 55 19672 February 21, 2015 at 2:54 am
Last Post: JesusHChrist
  Atheism, Scientific Atheism and Antitheism tantric 33 13684 January 18, 2015 at 1:05 pm
Last Post: helyott
  A question about the lifespan of scientific theories. Hammod1612 35 7996 January 16, 2015 at 5:15 am
Last Post: Alex K



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)