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Scientific knowledge versus spiritual knowledge
RE: Scientific knowledge versus spiritual knowledge
(January 4, 2016 at 4:02 am)Red_Wind Wrote: As far as i know, the former is testable, measurable and usable, the latter is not.
They both are.

One using the scientific method, the other through the selfless conscience, instinct, scripture, and nature of actions.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.
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RE: Scientific knowledge versus spiritual knowledge
Quote:selfless conscience, instinct, scripture, and nature of actions.
.......those would be pretty poor tests.  OTOH< I applaud you for considering god to be testable. Name your god, let's test it? We'll test it against selfless conscience, instincts, scripture, and the nature of actions. How does that sound?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Scientific knowledge versus spiritual knowledge
(January 4, 2016 at 4:05 am)Red_Wind Wrote:
(January 4, 2016 at 3:53 am)robvalue Wrote: (Light hearted joke [emoji813] )

An atheist, a deist and a religious theist find a treasure chest. It's locked up tight, and there's no way to investigate what's inside.

Atheist: "I wonder if there is anything inside."

Deist: "Of course there is something inside. I wonder what it is."

Theist: "It's a potion of eternal life."

Wonder what they would say if they could open it but there was nothing inside.
If one adheres to a belief for its proposed or assumed reward, then they aren't actually faithful so much as greedy.


By the way someone mentioned the word Faith in religious terms.

Faith is utter belief in God, and a reflection of that belief in all aspects of life at all times. It is verifiable and strengthened through testing ones own Faith continually.



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RE: Scientific knowledge versus spiritual knowledge
(January 4, 2016 at 11:54 am)robvalue Wrote: What the hell is an atheist's agenda?
Generally? In my experience, the "militant" ones have a very strong agenda to end all organized religious practice.

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RE: Scientific knowledge versus spiritual knowledge
(January 4, 2016 at 11:57 am)LadyForCamus Wrote:
(January 3, 2016 at 9:49 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: What would you put belief in morals and human value in? In spiritual belief or scientific knowledge?

Human nature?
What formed nature and man and the laws that bind us?

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.
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RE: Scientific knowledge versus spiritual knowledge
(January 7, 2016 at 7:09 pm)popsthebuilder Wrote:
(January 4, 2016 at 11:54 am)robvalue Wrote: What the hell is an atheist's agenda?
Generally? In my experience, the "militant" ones have a very strong agenda to end all organized religious practice.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

Is that your experience in fantasyland, that you're referring to?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Scientific knowledge versus spiritual knowledge
(January 7, 2016 at 7:03 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Name your god, let's test it?  

Part of you is his name. You got to see that part and rise it over the unclean word. 

Like that blue butt Rafiki said to Simba "see he lives in you".

It's up to you Rhythm. Will you look harder into your reflection or are you satisfied with saying, it's only your reflection?
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RE: Scientific knowledge versus spiritual knowledge
(January 4, 2016 at 12:54 pm)Evie Wrote: The addition of "spiritual" to "knowledge" is meaningless in all contexts unless you're talking about knowledge of whisky, brandy, rum, vodka, etc.
Nonsense; that is to say that none acquired any knowledge of any sort prior to refined scientific methodology. That's absolutely bullshit. Sorry

Peace

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.
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RE: Scientific knowledge versus spiritual knowledge
@Mystic

Perhaps part of you, but not me.  I've got nothing to do with your god.   My reflection is, by definition, my reflection.  If in my reflection there -were- the face of god...we'd be in a hell of alot of trouble. One has to wonder, though..what part of me, in your estimation, reflects god? What if my comments, to you, are that reflection?

Perhaps your god is trying to tell you, through me, that your statements regarding god and goodness are an embarrassment to god and goodness.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Scientific knowledge versus spiritual knowledge
(January 7, 2016 at 7:14 pm)Rhythm Wrote: @Mystic

One has to wonder, though..what part of me, in your estimation, reflects god? 

The praiseworthy parts, the valuable, the treasured part, the good part, the beautiful part, the light part.
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