Islam and its History and Impact of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH)

[yukapuka]

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wow it really is amazing how you guys can make some argument but have never heard of backing these argument up , and this really demonstrates just how much you talk out of absolute nonsense

you have less than zero knowledge on the subject and you are just assuming and "supposing"

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if you had bothered to read what i wrote earlier, which obviously you didnt which shows something about your character , you would have noticed that teh first revelation to the Prophet(PBUH) was "Read" and also "God taught by the pen that which man knew not"

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SO you see the followers of Prophet Muhamamd(PBUH) and also the Prophet himself, followed those verses of revelation and instruction , they were nto just said for no reason, but an instruction, i.e make your people literate and teach them to right by the pen

that was the FIRST revelation , and there is MANY historical accounts from historians who have through their studies confirmed this fact that Muhammad(PBUH) of the many things he did, one of them was teach his nation to read and write by instruction of him

another thing which clearly shows your ignorance, is that you have just NO idea how thorough and elaborate the arabs got busy during he life of the Prophet to do with reading and writing about himself and also about other people in that time

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and if you think that the Arabs couldn't read and write, then how was the Quran long before the Prophet died? but not just that, there is thousands of hadiths about the Prophet THOUSANDS , detailing so much

there is also not just writings but even his beard hair that was preserved by the people, on more then one occasion

real genuine historians , would not agree with this view you have and you are absolutely wrong on this subject , totally ignorant and insist on something that it isnt true to feed some fantasy you have of how you want to perceive history

So let's have some straight, specific, useful revelation.
Forget about the amazing things that used to happen.
Out of your thousands of hadiths, can you and your "scholars" please pull out the winning powerball numbers for tomorrow?
I hear we're headed for a billion dollar prize.

Thanks for the offer of beard hair, but I really don't need any.

that's so pathetic that i should not even respond to you

but it does unveil something about you....enough said

on another note, seekers of truth are not seekers of wealth

and if you want wealth, go and work for it like the rest of us

and even though God could to that, He is omni-conscious , would God or anyone do that? buy your belief?

He doesn't need people like you, very cheep people when He could have people who dont want or request anything from Him and fully adore and worship and love Him , and furthermore, even when their life is bombarded with problems and trouble, they never forsake Him or get angry at Him for it, they accept it and continue to thank Him in times of absolute trouble

so why would God help you as opposed to having them?

[yukapuka]

That's where your wrong, HE is a role model and his morals and values and personality is what is still reverting people today to Islam [...]

Sure - Muhammad (may his ar*e be penetrated by a thousand donkey dongs) is a role model. Pieces of sh*t, pedophiles and warlords need role models too. I'm sure ISIS c*nts model themselves after the f-ing prophet.

There are people in Russia today, that still revere Stalin, despite all the evil he brought on his own people. Primitive, uncivilized and backward people (which is what constitutes the majority of Muslims worldwide) fail to learn from history - which they largely have no access to anyway, because of censorship, propaganda and being uneducated, illiterate peasants - and will follow the most horrible monsters, especially those, that died long enough ago, so that apologists can make up fantastic sh*t about them.

F*ck Muhammad. Hail Satan!

ISIS has nothing to do with Islam or Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) majority of Muslims (except the few crazy extremists ...kind of like you guys here in your own way) will confirm this fact

all around the world Muslims have denounced ISIS, and even on CNN and FOX they state this fact, no sane person here who has any rationality (except those who think with emotion and ignorance and prejudice and hate like you guys) claim to make the two the same thing

anyone with any intelligence knows this and has heard this

and furthermore , the people ISIS is killing ARE mainly Muslims, the people ISIS is fighting ARE MAINLY MUSLIMS!!

but your so lost and gone in yoru mind you can see even this simple fact

which shows your judgement is corrupted by too much emotion(you need to town down on the oestrogen)

[The Grand Nudger]

Is this the part where you ask us for our wallets?

[Brakeman]

So let's have some straight, specific, useful revelation.
Forget about the amazing things that used to happen.
Out of your thousands of hadiths, can you and your "scholars" please pull out the winning powerball numbers for tomorrow?
I hear we're headed for a billion dollar prize.

Thanks for the offer of beard hair, but I really don't need any.

that's so pathetic that i should not even respond to your request

but it does unveil something about you....enough said

on another note, seekers of truth are not seekers of wealth

Fan-fic. a.k.a. Fan Fiction.

If we can have hundreds of fan fics about imaginary Darth Vader why would we not expect to have thousands of fanfics about Mo?  What else did anybody write about back then if it wasn't about incredibly hyped and fabulous BS stories about gods or their earthly pawns? The most remarkable thing about islam's story is that it is so much overblown in the most expected ways and indistinguishable from the other badly over-the-top stories from other religions of the day.

All powerful deity - check
Messenger prophets that speak for god - check
pitched battles won with divine assistance - check
Prophets pass down rules from god to the stupid - check

How utterly typical..

[Minimalist]

so that's your explanation? besides he isnt he only one, Islam is the fastest growing religion for a reason

It seemed more polite than saying that you are a batshit crazy motherfucker.  But the politeness well has just run dry.

[JuliaL]

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So let's have some straight, specific, useful revelation.
Forget about the amazing things that used to happen.
Out of your thousands of hadiths, can you and your "scholars" please pull out the winning powerball numbers for tomorrow?
I hear we're headed for a billion dollar prize.

Thanks for the offer of beard hair, but I really don't need any.

that's so pathetic that i should not even respond to you

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but it does unveil something about you....enough said

on another note, seekers of truth are not seekers of wealth

and if you want wealth, go and work for it like the rest of us

and even though God could to that, He is omni-conscious , would God or anyone do that? buy your belief?

He doesn't need people like you, very cheep people when He could have people who dont want or request anything from Him and fully adore and worship and love Him , and furthermore, even when their life is bombarded with problems and trouble, they never forsake Him or get angry at Him for it, they accept it and continue to thank Him in times of absolute trouble

so why would God help you as opposed to having them?

My bold.

Bullshit.
You clearly don't understand the money to be made by even a tiny amount of real knowledge about the future.
The real seekers of truth often work in labs where truth (meaning understanding which allows one to accurately predict future events) is sought diligently.  Then they leave those labs and start companies using the understanding gained there to make big bucks from their initial public offerings.

Your 'God doesn't tell us monetarily valuable things because His motives are above money.' is the same bogus argument used by psychics to explain why the spirits can't do anything useful for their faithful.  Your made up shit depends on the ignorance of the followers.  Your pretense of special information just fails and fails when put to any test on this side of death.
So why should anyone believe you?

They shouldn't.

[Mystic]

yukapuka....make friends here....don't try to be an enemy to everyone.

Everyone has their own approach to religion. They don't even believe in God...so obviously they going to believe Mohammad is a false Prophet, which will make them of a certain mindset towards religion and Islam

Chill. Take it easy. Make friends here. Have dialogue but take it easy bro.

[Catholic_Lady]

Sorry if this has been answered already. I have a question for my Muslim brothers. But what is the difference between the Quran and the Hadith? Which is more important? Is a Muslim supposed to follow both?

*Edited. Was watching TV when I wrote it the first time lol.

Hadiths are sayings attributed to the Prophet or the 12 Imams (if you are Shia) that have chains (so and so narrated from so and so). People study the people narrating it, and determine if everyone in the chain is trustworthy enough to deem the hadith authentic.

Some people believe hadiths can cancel out Quran (for example stoning hadiths cancel out Quran command to lash), the majority of Muslims are of this opinion. 

Shia and Sunni alike believe in this. Furthermore, majority of Muslims (shia and sunni) don't believe it's really up to them to study hadiths, but to follow a learned scholar regarding hadiths and follow what they explain is the rulings.

So this whole check hadiths with Quran is just a theory, it has no real practice. This specially given people don't reflect over verses of Quran much. 

In reality, hadiths more important then Quran to Muslims although they will all claim Quran is more important. The reason is hadiths are followed more then Quran through scholars.

That said, I think ilmel rijaal (the science of trustworthiness or lack of that of humans and their biographies) was more of bias tool then a real knowledge or science and should be used only to increase probability of truth of a report.

That said I do believe some hadiths have been narrated numerously with many authenticated chains as well as non-authenticated chains, that there is no doubt about them.  Those stand almost as important as Quran to me personally. 

Quran however to me is the most important. I don't believe hadiths can abrogate Quran or cancel out Quranic commands either. 

That said in theory  - Shia and Sunni - Muslims both believe hadiths should be referred to Quran. But in reality, it's a different practice then what is in theory.

Thanks for the answer!

[Catholic_Lady]

Yuka, you will learn to choose your battles here. Like MK said, just try to relax and let things go.

[Mystic]

Thanks for the answer!

You welcome.

There is a lot to be said about this subject. One thing that I trust Shia hadiths more then Sunnis, is that Sunni traditions are oral and we know Chinese whispers can ruin things pretty bad. 

This is while Imams told their followers to write hadiths in books, and shias narrations are book to book to book....so it's not simply oral. The narrator meets the narrator and takes narrations from books.

The Sunnis on the other hand, it was mainly oral...so they put more emphasis on memory and other things, while Shias don't.

Also you may forget a narrator or who exactly you narrated it from, if it's orally, but the same is not true, if you are taking it from a written book.

There is a lot to study about this issue. I just wanted to point out Shias is not oral passing on, but written book to book.