Islam and its History and Impact of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH)

[robvalue]

Sheed: So I see you are giving us thinly veiled threats of hell just for not agreeing with you. I know you think you're just telling us what Allah will do, but he's not here. He's saying nothing. You are saying it, to try and get us to comply. If I was to tell you that you better do what I say or my big brother will torture you, would that be acceptable to you? Oh, what my brother wants you to do just happened to line up with what I want you to do.

Why does Allah need your help, your protection and your threats? He must be pretty feeble to need all this backup. You clearly have no rational arguments if you have to resort to such dirty tactics.

Don't bother answering, just think about it. You're on my ignore list now, along with our other arrogant new preachy member.

[mr_j936]

If no one had ever mentioned Mohammed to you in your entire life would you know  about him?  You only believe in him because you have been brainwashed into believing what other people have told you about him.  You have no first hand knowledge about him or any real reason to believe that such a character ever existed and did what he supposedly did.  You simply believe other people's delusions.  Are you even an Arab?

I would have found Prophet Muhammd(PBUH) even if i wasnt a born Muslim

and the proof of this is that MANY upon MANY, white Americans and Europeans convert every single day , i cant post you the hundreds of videos of youtube, or you can simply do a research of your own on youtube and you will see for your self

if they are able to find him amongst all the misinformation that is being thrown around, so would i , the man was a living genius

here is an example of a mathematician professor who became Muslim, which i have already posted

he went from Christianity to atheism to Islam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H_C0BMyGCA

There are also many Muslims inside Muslim countries leaving Islam for Christianity and Atheism. Almost all of those who left when I ask them why they did it, they say "It's an unjust and cruel religion" And it is harder to leave Islam under the threat of death if anyone finds out than it is to join it. One of my friends was turned over to the police by his own mother because he stopped being a Muslim. 

I cannot respect a faith that kills people who leave it, nor that make mothers so brainwashed they would offer up their children to be jailed or murdered for something that should just be their own choosing. Saudi Arabia and Iran murder(execute, but it is actually murder) hundreds of people each year for "Crimes against Islam" such as leaving the faith. And despite the risk of death Muslims are still leaving. I would post videos like you did, but they don't make videos, because THEY WOULD BE MURDERED.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

That's a great way to sell a delusion.  Remember, most of the Arabs were illiterate.  Surah 3:75.  According to the fairy tale Mohammed initially spent most of his time with a small ignorant cult.  None of them wrote down anything.  Besides, it's highly doubtful that there were a lot of stationery stores in the desert when they could get paper and ink supplies.  

The fact is that the hadiths were written centuries after Mohammed supposedly bit the dust.  Most of them are cultural rules of the dominant Arab tribes in Arabia.  The writers just added a couple of magic words to get the dummies to accept them.

wow it really is amazing how you guys can make some argument but have never heard of backing these argument up , and this really demonstrates just how much you talk out of absolute nonsense

you have less than zero knowledge on the subject and you are just assuming and "supposing"

if you had bothered to read what i wrote earlier, which obviously you didnt which shows something about your character , you would have noticed that teh first revelation to the Prophet(PBUH) was "Read" and also "God taught by the pen that which man knew not"

SO you see the followers of Prophet Muhamamd(PBUH) and also the Prophet himself, followed those verses of revelation and instruction , they were nto just said for no reason, but an instruction, i.e make your people literate and teach them to right by the pen

that was the FIRST revelation , and there is MANY historical accounts from historians who have through their studies confirmed this fact that Muhammad(PBUH) of the many things he did, one of them was teach his nation to read and write by instruction of him

another thing which clearly shows your ignorance, is that you have just NO idea how thorough and elaborate the arabs got busy during he life of the Prophet to do with reading and writing about himself and also about other people in that time

and if you think that the Arabs couldn't read and write, then how was the Quran long before the Prophet died? but not just that, there is thousands of hadiths about the Prophet THOUSANDS , detailing so much

there is also not just writings but even his beard hair that was preserved by the people, on more then one occasion

real genuine historians , would not agree with this view you have and you are absolutely wrong on this subject , totally ignorant and insist on something that it isnt true to feed some fantasy you have of how you want to perceive history

So a dummy who didn't know how to read or write taught a herd of other dummies how to read and write.  Sounds legit.

The Koran supposedly forbids the worship of idols.  So what's this BS about worshipping Mohammed's beard hair?  Does anyone have his nail clippings?

[Cato]

all around the world Muslims have denounced ISIS, and even on CNN and FOX they state this fact, no sane person here who has any rationality (except those who think with emotion and ignorance and prejudice and hate like you guys) claim to make the two the same thing

I suppose this is why KSA and Turkey have worked tirelessly to eradicate ISIS while ISIS continues to fuck over fellow Muslims. Denounce? Cheap rhetoric.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

all around the world Muslims have denounced ISIS, and even on CNN and FOX they state this fact, no sane person here who has any rationality (except those who think with emotion and ignorance and prejudice and hate like you guys) claim to make the two the same thing

I suppose this is why KSA and Turkey have worked tirelessly to eradicate ISIS while ISIS continues to fuck over fellow Muslims. Denounce? Cheap rhetoric.

ISIS is being funded by the people in the area it hasn't attacked.

[downbeatplumb]

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ISIS has nothing to do with Islam or Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) majority of Muslims (except the few crazy extremists ...kind of like you guys here in your own way) will confirm this fact

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ISIS certainly think they are Islamic, as do many of the more violent groups of people wandering the world committing acts of mindless savagery. The fact that you don't think they are is what we call the "no true Scotsmen fallacy" just because you don't think that they can be a muslim and do what they do does not mean that they aren't muslims. it is how they self identify, even using hadiths and the koran to justify their violent rampages. I'm not saying that Islam is fundamentally a violent religion, or that all muslims are violent, what I am saying is that Islam can and is used by people to justify horror, it is at best an ambiguous religion.

[yukapuka]

really it is beyond surprising that people in the 21st century with information at their finger tips , can make such ignorant statements

since all of you here are Islam and ISIS experts and know all of the teachings of the Prophet(pbuh) as that is how you pretend to be

why doesnt somebody actually show me how ISIS are following Islam, use any of your brainwashing cheap out of context websites that misrepresent information and even propagates falsehood

show me how ISIS is derived from Islam , i know this religion inside out, including Quran and hadith

because you keep equating Islam with ISIS

s prove it if you claim it

demonstrates your ignorance and bias again, go right ahead and i will refute you

this is more easier to refute then taking candy from the floor

also again you atheists are FAR from intelligent and rational people

your just as brainwashed and so wrong about what you propagate as any of the people you accuse of to have those traits , but you do it not because your after truth, but in order to feed some fantasy idea you have in your head about religion

[GrandizerII]

your just as brainwashed and so wrong about what you propagate as any of the people you accuse of to have those traits , but you do it not because your after truth, but in order to feed some fantasy idea you have in your head about religion

This, in Freudian language, is called projection.

[LastPoet]

Listen fella, you believe in magical prophets, that had 9 year old wives, split the moon in half, despite it being there, whose teachings kinda reflect the political ideas at the time.

Playing offended with our freedom of expression really tells me all about you and your religion.

There are a couple of muslims on this forum, one vastly more than the other, that I respect. I do respect them for who they are, not by their silly beliefs. You are not one of them.

If propaganda is all you want to do, you chose a tough crowd.

[Edwardo Piet]

I hate threads like this... I'm off to dispense some turtley mayo, fuck this thread.