What do you think of William Lane Craig?

[God of Mr. Hanky]

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Why you gotta do that? Why is it so important to you to drop everything and force your unwanted opinion of my acumen on everyone? Why do you insist upon thrusting your negativity into the spotlight at every opportunity? What do you gain from this?


If you think a comparison to the Death Star means that the person on the other end of the comparison is never wrong (not that I'm convinced I was even involved in the discussion you keep trolling with) then I really don't know what to say, other than that it's extremely clear you've never seen the end of A New Hope.

But your sociopathic need to make everything about you and how much better you think you are than me is noted.


I'm asking why you have this deep seated need to roll in and fuck up a good time merely on the basis that somebody disagreed with you two years ago.


So you're suggesting you weren't about to bring it up yourself?

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Are you seriously going to play the victim? Must I remind you how YOU were the one hurling insults at me from jump, in one of our first interactions.

Yep, because I definitely said I was perfect. That's what happened here, you dishonest prick.

And I still have the passage that says they can be beaten, you unbelievable moron.

And to be clear, you disingenuous little turd,

Oh, go fuck yourself, you petty little asswipe.

(The above quotes are just a portion of larger posts, for full context, click the green arrows)

And you actually have the audacity to get all butt hurt because I merely said that you don't win every argument.

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Huggy: I won't be responding to any of your points. I won't be responding to anything you say from now on unless it's sent by PM and requires mod attention. I'm not joining in your little game of exchanging hoarded blackmail information. I would have hoped you'd grown out of this by now. I only mentioned why I blocked you before because you brought it up in another childish attempt to make a thread all about you.

Called it.

[I already know how you love to plug your ears when confronted with truth...

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Huggy, I'd like to see how you think Esquilax is wrong here. I need a bit of a laugh for my lunch break. Pretty please!

Since people already are accusing me of derailing the thread., I'm going to leave it up to Esquilax whether he wants me to jog his memory or not.

Oh, look, this is exactly what we've been talking about - Mr. Petty Vindictive Grudgemeister trolls people here, gets exactly what he intended, and here is what he has to show for it! There's nothing wrong with the troll, it's all the normal people in the forum who aren't right...mmmmkay.

[Cyberman]

Since people already are accusing me of derailing the thread., I'm going to leave it up to Esquilax whether he wants me to jog his memory or not.

Translation: "Smell my fart! Smell it!!"

[Crossless2.0]

I, for one, am not even remotely interested in yet another Huggy-inspired dick-waving contest, and I hope Esquilax does not take the bait.

There is an OP to this thread, right? Perhaps the conversation can be restricted to something at least tangentially related to that?

[Pat Mustard]

Since people already are accusing me of derailing the thread., I'm going to leave it up to Esquilax whether he wants me to jog his memory or not.

Oh, it hadn't got anything to do with Esquilax, I just find your delusional mentality quite funny.

[Huggy Bear]

Oh, look, this is exactly what we've been talking about - Mr. Petty Vindictive Grudgemeister trolls people here, gets exactly what he intended, and here is what he has to show for it! There's nothing wrong with the troll, it's all the normal people in the forum who aren't right...mmmmkay.

People who have been around longer than you know I don't bluff (listen to crossless1).

[Old Baby]

I think Craig is a legit believer. I say this as someone who was indoctrinated from birth and whose father has been a pastor for almost 30 years. I think the main difference in my father and Craig is that my father is very ignorant of science and how the world works, so he doesn't need to jump through as many hoops as Craig to hold on to faith. When I have gone to Craig's website and read the amount of time and detail he puts into his e-mails to Christians, I can't really believe that he's a charlatan like some television evangelist. In my eyes, Craig has just outsmarted himself.

What I've found from Christians I've talked to since my deconversion is that the ones who have invested the most in faith seem to be the least capable of even considering that they could be wrong. Their faith is their entire identity, and without it they are a hollow shell. It's a terrifying notion to them, which is why I don't press my new beliefs on those who seem legitimately terrified by them. I believe that Craig is locked into a life of apologetics because actively defending the faith is the only way to maintain it, and after what he has invested, he's not about to consider that he could be wrong.

[God of Mr. Hanky]

Oh, look, this is exactly what we've been talking about - Mr. Petty Vindictive Grudgemeister trolls people here, gets exactly what he intended, and here is what he has to show for it! There's nothing wrong with the troll, it's all the normal people in the forum who aren't right...mmmmkay.

People who have been around longer than you know I don't bluff (listen to crossless1).

Hahaaaaaa, Heheeeeee, now the troll is threatening me!

You need help, you fucking sociopath!

Now, like Crossless and others, I'm cutting you off here.

B-bye!

[Huggy Bear]

How you managed to turn that into a threat is beyond me....

Such a drama queen

[robvalue]

I think Craig is a legit believer.  I say this as someone who was indoctrinated from birth and whose father has been a pastor for almost 30 years.  I think the main difference in my father and Craig is that my father is very ignorant of science and how the world works, so he doesn't need to jump through as many hoops as Craig to hold on to faith.  When I have gone to Craig's website and read the amount of time and detail he puts into his e-mails to Christians, I can't really believe that he's a charlatan like some television evangelist.  In my eyes, Craig has just outsmarted himself.  

What I've found from Christians I've talked to since my deconversion is that the ones who have invested the most in faith seem to be the least capable of even considering that they could be wrong.  Their faith is their entire identity, and without it they are a hollow shell.  It's a terrifying notion to them, which is why I don't press my new beliefs on those who seem legitimately terrified by them.  I believe that Craig is locked into a life of apologetics because actively defending the faith is the only way to maintain it, and after what he has invested, he's not about to consider that he could be wrong.

I agree, I think he probably does really believe in the religion. And you bet, those most invested, who have it as their identity, are those least likely to ever seriously question it.

However, he is smart enough to know when he has a belief he can't support with proper evidence and arguments, so he has created elaborate ways of convincing himself, which is quite normal. But he has discovered he can make a living off of those same tricks. I think he knows his methodology is flawed and dishonest. He may however believe the ends justify the means, and making a bunch of money is just a side benefit.

[God of Mr. Hanky]

I think Craig is a legit believer.  I say this as someone who was indoctrinated from birth and whose father has been a pastor for almost 30 years.  I think the main difference in my father and Craig is that my father is very ignorant of science and how the world works, so he doesn't need to jump through as many hoops as Craig to hold on to faith.  When I have gone to Craig's website and read the amount of time and detail he puts into his e-mails to Christians, I can't really believe that he's a charlatan like some television evangelist.  In my eyes, Craig has just outsmarted himself.  

What I've found from Christians I've talked to since my deconversion is that the ones who have invested the most in faith seem to be the least capable of even considering that they could be wrong.  Their faith is their entire identity, and without it they are a hollow shell.  It's a terrifying notion to them, which is why I don't press my new beliefs on those who seem legitimately terrified by them.  I believe that Craig is locked into a life of apologetics because actively defending the faith is the only way to maintain it, and after what he has invested, he's not about to consider that he could be wrong.

I agree, I think he probably does really believe in the religion. And you bet, those most invested, who have it as their identity, are those least likely to ever seriously question it.

However, he is smart enough to know when he has a belief he can't support with proper evidence and arguments, so he has created elaborate ways of convincing himself, which is quite normal. But he has discovered he can make a living off of those same tricks. I think he knows his methodology is flawed and dishonest. He may however believe the ends justify the means, and making a bunch of money is just a side benefit.

Which truly points out how pointless the degree of respect which people allot for beliefs. For true believers who don't care about the means to their ends, there was Caesar, Genghis Khan, Napoleon, Mussolini, Hitler (yeah, Godwin me), Stalin, bin Laden, Castro, Mao Tse-Tung, possibly (although not probably) Kim Jong Ill...