What do you think of William Lane Craig?

[robvalue]

What Lovely Cocks.

Steve Shives destroys his "reasonable faith" book at length on YouTube. If anyone is actually serious about seeing his arguments challenged, and not just parading him around as a name drop, I'd recommend a watch. Steve is sharp as a tack when it comes to religious slaps.

Otherwise, bring along an argument. Don't tell us how great he is, bring it with you. We'll break it open like a bag of crisps revealing the fallacious goodness cowering inside.

Not that philosophical arguments are ever evidence anyway, destroying everything he ever does without even having to hear it. But as it happens I've heard plenty.

[Edwardo Piet]

As you can see from the quote from Harris' book, he does believe that mental illness causes people to be attracted to religion.

And Harris was clearly referring to God as a psychopath in the debate.

Consequently, I don't think that WLC misrepresented Harris' position AT ALL.

Sam Harris says that the character of God is psychopathic. That is not to say that those who believe in him are. In the video Sam Harris even specified that that was not what he was saying, and the maker of the Youtube video even made that clear too. Did  you even watch the video? This is all dealt with. WLC completely misrepresents Sam Harris, Harris was attacking God and calling God a psychopathic character, not the religious.

That quote you quoted doesn't says religious people are mentally ill, it says their beliefs are mentally ill.

Did you even watch the video? Check 6 minutes in.

[...] while religious people are not generally mad, their core beliefs absolutely are.

Consequently, I don't think that WLC misrepresented Harris' position AT ALL.

Then you either didn't watch the video, didn't understand the video, or you're as disingenuous as WLC.

Seriously... wtf. Even those who like WLC should be able to see that he clearly misrepresented Harris there. Harris called God psychopathic and specified that he wasn't saying religious people were, and then you think that when WLC represented Harris as saying that even the theists who were there at the debate were psychopathic you think that that's not misrepresentation? Wtf.

[God of Mr. Hanky]

Yes, Shives is among the best at unpacking the bullshit of Xtian apologists in-depth, and he does it book-by-book. I highly recommend his video series on "I Don't Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist", and " Evidence Which Demands A Verdict". They are quite long, but entertaining as well, and you really learn a lot.

[Cephus]

[robvalue]

Hanky: Yep, Shives is da bomb. I've listened to almost every apologist book series he has done, all the way through, and I found myself agreeing at almost every junction. He provided even more angles to look at it from which made the arguments look weaker than I'd previously thought.

What apologists the world over just don't seem to grasp is that arguments are not evidence. If they do grasp this, then they are shameless con men.

[Pat Mustard]

I hadn't visited this thread in a few days, so I'm just catching up on all the vitriol directed at WLC.

Your job sucking donkey balls must be very time consuming, then. But anyway, why are you still pushing that discredited fraud Craig? You must surely know by now that we, unlike you, have seen through his lies and snake oil salesmanship.

[robvalue]

His brand of burying the logical fallacy beneath great big shit heaps of irrelevant word games is testament to the sheer desperation the field of apologetics has reached.

I remember someone referring to it as the "death throes". The pathetic retreat into solipsism, then claiming to have the magic key to your own proclaimed paradoxes. Absolutely worthless. It only works on people who don't understand what logic and evidence are, and boy does he know it.

[athrock]

[athrock]

As you can see from the quote from Harris' book, he does believe that mental illness causes people to be attracted to religion.

And Harris was clearly referring to God as a psychopath in the debate.

Consequently, I don't think that WLC misrepresented Harris' position AT ALL.

Sam Harris says that the character of God is psychopathic. That is not to say that those who believe in him are. In the video Sam Harris even specified that that was not what he was saying, and the maker of the Youtube video even made that clear too. Did  you even watch the video? This is all dealt with. WLC completely misrepresents Sam Harris, Harris was attacking God and calling God a psychopathic character, not the religious.

That quote you quoted doesn't says religious people are mentally ill, it says their beliefs are mentally ill.

Did you even watch the video? Check 6 minutes in.

Did you even read my post? I said I watched it.

[...] while religious people are not generally mad, their core beliefs absolutely are.

Consequently, I don't think that WLC misrepresented Harris' position AT ALL.

Then you either didn't watch the video, didn't understand the video, or you're as disingenuous as WLC.

Seriously... wtf. Even those who like WLC should be able to see that he clearly misrepresented Harris there. Harris called God psychopathic and specified that he wasn't saying religious people were, and then you think that when WLC represented Harris as saying that even the theists who were there at the debate were psychopathic you think that that's not misrepresentation? Wtf.

Oh, I'm just another liar for jeebus. Just as Rhythm. He'll tell you all about me.

[athrock]

Meh.  I don't have any strong opinions about WLC.  I think many people don't like him because he is successful at what he does, and what he does is tied to faith.  The larger questions about his honesty and sincerity I don't feel equipped to answer.

Which of William Lane Craig's books have you read personally, rob?