If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua?

[popsthebuilder]

Way to miss the point. I didn't say it was against the law to like science, I wish more people did. I said it is independent of ALL religions it is not there to prop up any religion. You liking science does not make Allah real anymore than a Jew liking science makes Yahweh real anymore than a Hindu liking science makes Vishnu real.

"law of the universe", see you do the same thing Christians do. "Law" in science does not mean the same thing religious people like it to mean. "Law" is not a government written thing when it is used in the context of science. "Law" as used in science is a description of confirmed and tested observations that are consistent over long term data observation. 

And the "who" part, you make the same mistake too. You assume a cosmic magical "sky who" is some factory owner and we are his products. No, that is now how science views nature. Just like you already accept that Thor is not needed to explain why lightening happens. Just like you already accept you don't need Poseidon to be the cause of hurricanes.

It isn't a who that did all this, it was a non cognitive process, like how the seasons change and we have different weather every day. CONDITONS, not a who, a process, not a thinking being. 

It can be viewed like riding in a giant weather pattern and we are simply a manifestation of those events. The problem you are stuck with that all god claimers are still suffer from "which god", and the problem of infinite regress.

So the simplest solution is to know if you are are right are to ask yourself, not me, but yourself, the following. Which to you seems to be more likely?

1. A god exists?

Or

2. Humans make them up and merely like the idea?

Now you already reject lots of other god claims and I would say rightfully so. You don't buy Thor as being real. You don't buy Vishnu as being real. You don't buy Yahweh as being real, and while you share some of the same characters you dont see Jesus as being the one true way to heaven.

The only difference between you and me, is that I reject one more god claim than you do. When you can aim your own skepticism that you used to reject other god claims, besides your own, at your own claim, then maybe you can see where the atheist is coming from.

My conclusion about Thor -that he doesn't exist- is coming from the bold red underlines that I put under Norse mythology. The story of creation and the story of the Norse idols  -just like Greek mythology- are just full of gaps & contradictions.

Yes, others may claim that their idols the the real deal, but it all comes down to what the deity had to present. If the religion is contradicting to itself from the inside, then that's how we know it's false.

In order for science to be accurate, it must be materialistic to the core. Science discuss the method of creation; faith and belief just make your head hardwired like that : and actually, it can't be disproved unless somebody travel back in time, and see how the universe began. 

For your question : I can't trust the origin of the thought either -existence of God-. Did humanity create it, or was it a reality, that got twisted in many places to produce hundreds of different religions ?

The latter brother.

Be giving and selfless in all you do with mercy and humility. Be strong in what you know on an innermost level through the selfless conscience. The weighty things placed on your heart that motivate/shame/ teach you through honest introspection and selfless direction by the will of GOD are placed there by the Holy Spirit for the sake of all, and resides dormant/ asleep in most.

God formed everything. All is of IT to some degree. Core scriptures; Qur'an, Torah, New Covenant, Bhagavad Gita, Book of Enoch, the writings of the church fathers, (look towards the Druze, who suffer now, in this day), the writings of the Bahia Faith.

There is a creative force that made the actual observable laws that all of physical existence and spiritual adheres to without waver by God's will. We are the ones being tested, for our sake and the sake of existence. The hell that we exhibit here on earth will end as sin is ended. Most will tell you it will be horrid and violent.

I say, by God's will and mercy, and our full Faith in our direction of God, we can end greed(sin)as a whole and look to universal prosperity that can't even fully be contemplated at this time.

One Creator GOD is obvious and evident to any who truly look with their heart and soul. As is the very direction of life.

Once people actually start to realize the peaceful unity that is possible through the simple, unadulterated core scriptures of the faithful unto GOD, then we might be able to see the potential through the direction of all given by GOD.

People may say peace can be achieved on a personal level without God. This in itself is greed as it exudes no desire to want to benefit existence as a whole, and rather focus on an individual bubble. It is faulty in doing such. What worth is one momentary life, if not to the benefit and help the advancement of peaceable life as a whole for all, equally and exponentially in comparison to ones own selfish gratifications.

Thanks is to GOD with humility and praise.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

[Brian37]

My conclusion about Thor -that he doesn't exist- is coming from the bold red underlines that I put under Norse mythology. The story of creation and the story of the Norse idols  -just like Greek mythology- are just full of gaps & contradictions.

Yes, others may claim that their idols the the real deal, but it all comes down to what the deity had to present. If the religion is contradicting to itself from the inside, then that's how we know it's false.

In order for science to be accurate, it must be materialistic to the core. Science discuss the method of creation; faith and belief just make your head hardwired like that : and actually, it can't be disproved unless somebody travel back in time, and see how the universe began. 

For your question : I can't trust the origin of the thought either -existence of God-. Did humanity create it, or was it a reality, that got twisted in many places to produce hundreds of different religions ?

The latter brother.

Be giving and selfless in all you do with mercy and humility. Be strong in what you know on an innermost level through the selfless conscience. The weighty things placed on your heart that motivate/shame/ teach you through honest introspection and selfless direction by the will of GOD are placed there by the Holy Spirit for the sake of all, and resides dormant/ asleep in most.

God formed everything. All is of IT to some degree. Core scriptures; Qur'an, Torah, New Covenant, Bhagavad Gita, Book of Enoch, the writings of the church fathers, (look towards the Druze, who suffer now, in this day), the writings of the Bahia Faith.

There is a creative force that made the actual observable laws that all of physical existence and spiritual adheres to without waver by God's will. We are the ones being tested, for our sake and the sake of existence. The hell that we exhibit here on earth will end as sin is ended. Most will tell you it will be horrid and violent.

I say, by God's will and mercy, and our full Faith in our direction of God, we can end greed(sin)as a whole and look to universal prosperity that can't even fully be contemplated at this time.

One Creator GOD is obvious and evident to any who truly look with their heart and soul. As is the very direction of life.

Once people actually start to realize the peaceful unity that is possible through the simple, unadulterated core scriptures of the faithful unto GOD, then we might be able to see the potential through the direction of all given by GOD.

People may say peace can be achieved on a personal level without God. This in itself is greed as it exudes no desire to want to benefit existence as a whole, and rather focus on an individual bubble. It is faulty in doing such. What worth is one momentary life, if not to the benefit and help the advancement of peaceable life as a whole for all, equally and exponentially in comparison to ones own selfish gratifications.

Thanks is to GOD with humility and praise.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

QUOTE YOU "There is a creative force that made the actual observable laws that all of physical existance".

Yes, the big bang, and atoms are what make up all the material in the universe.

You are stuck on pretty. All religions look at the pretty in nature and use that to justify their book and their religion being the one correct religion. So what. Jews and Muslims and Christians and Hindus all have their creation myths.

There are also very destructive forces in nature and the universe. There are bacteria and viruses that can kill the healthiest human. Bacteria and viruses are far more efficient in replicating and out number humans worldwide in the trillions if not more. Modern medicine is made it possible to manage disease better. 

Earthquakes are destructive to humans in it's range. Volcanos are destructive to humans in its range. Hurricanes are destructive to humans in it's path. Tornados are destructive to humans in it's path. Scientific method has made better building codes better, and weather forecasts help us get out of the way of those destructive forces.

The planet is 4 billion years old. It started out as a burning molten ball, then at one time it was a frozen snowball, then it fluctuated until it settled down to the point life could take off. But even then it was still being hit by meteors . Meteors have been hitting the planet year in and year out for 4 billion years. Most burn up, but a few have caused damage like this one, the most famous.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicxulub_crater Which killed the dinosaurs.


And every inch of the entire planet's 4 billion years has been struck by lightening at some point.

The planet in life history has had 5 MASS EXTINCTIONS, not just the dinosaurs, but 99% of life that has existed is now extinct. The seeming "abundance" of life you are observing now is only the 1% still around.

50 million humans die worldwide every year from everything in every nation. Babies, young to old, from disease, famine, natural disaster, accident, crime and war. That is half a billion in 10 years and 1 billion in 20 years.

And a black hole is destructive, and when our sun dies, our planet will be fried like coal. And if you think everything in life and the universe is pretty, take a rocket ride up in orbit, take a space walk, and take your helmet off. You will find out how "pretty" reality is.

WE are not a product of a factory owner and made like an object in a factory. You cannot seriously have me believe such a perfect being and all powerful being would need to go through all the stuff I mentioned above and waste most of that 4 billion years to put humans on this rock. We have only been around in our current form 200,000 years and we only got to the first organized writing anything 10,000 years ago. And humans have been fighting over those writings even up to today.

We are merely riding in a giant non cognitive weather pattern, no magic puppeteer needed, no cosmic magical factory boss needed to explain reality. It was understandable back then when people gap filled without our modern scientific method. But we know better now. Humans like the idea of a sky hero. But all they are doing is gap filling with their own insecurities and desires and narcissism. They are merely projecting human qualities on non existent things. The word for that is "anthropomorphism".

[popsthebuilder]

Brian37

The big bang is a theory, not a scientific law. But it does align with scripture(let there be light).
The rest of the formation of the earth you have is also similar to how it is described in scripture, given it's translated from a completely different style of language.

As far as the age of existence that lead to what we have now; 6 billion years sounds bout right. Of course time isn't a constant and most likely progressed differently close to rapid expansion.

I'm not stuck on pretty. Death is part of life, as is suffering, at this time.

It can even be said that natural disasters, deseases, viruses, cancers, and other pain and suffering not only is so we might learn, but could be pretty much wholly avoidable if we would have adhered to the life giving direction of the One Creator GOD long ago. Still the greed of man plagues all.

Tell you what! Explain to me why the scientific laws are the way they are, and not some other way.

Oh yeah; a black hole is potential on a nearly infinite scale. Pretty telling.

There is also chaos(potential) in each of us.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

[Sheed1980]

Yes Allah is All Knowing, Wise. But we aren't. We don't know what is going to happen to us. Or how it's going to happen. But with Allah's mercy He gives us free will to live our lives as we wish. By Him being All Knowing He knows we can't do an atom's weight of anything against His will. So He tells us He accepts prayer and answers prayer, accepts sincere repentance (except dying in the state of unbelief and shirk). So will we have faith in Him as our Lord and creator and seek His knowledge, forgiveness and guidance? Also He being The Most Merciful, He expiates sins from His believing servants for any hardships(non intentionally)we go through. Sickness, sadness, pain, struggle, u name it. The Prophet Muhammad pbuh said " if a Muslim feels so much as the prick of a thorn Allah expiates some of his sins". The Prophet Muhammad pbuh also said"A Muslim loses their sins like a tree loses its leaves". So Allah tests us to see if we will seek His forgiveness, help, and guidance, or will we be arrogant, and try doing it ourselves without His help which absolutely will not happen. And to answer ur question about the cancer.  There are things that Allah does that go beyond our understanding. Because all of us as humans commit sins, and since cancer is a type of hardship Allah may possibly use it as a purgation or cleansing of sins from our souls in this life and out of His mercy, prevents us from the punishment of hellfire in the Hereafter. We have to always remember. We have plans and Allah has plans, and Allah is the best of planners.

Please try getting this through your head. EVERY religion argues the same thing. 

"Allah Is all Knowing"
"The God of Jesus is All Knowing"
"Yahweh of The Jews is ALL Knowing"

"But with Allah's mercy"
"But with Jesus's mercy"
"But with Yahweh's mercy"

"Allah has plans"
"Jesus has plans"
"Yahweh has plans"

And so what. Humans invent god claims. It was understandable back then when humans didn't know any better. Islam is a spin off of Christianity. Christianity is a spin off of Hebrew/Jewish. Hebrew/Jewish is a spin off of Canaanite polytheism. It is all made up, there never was a god.

Now again, what fails with the "Omni=All" argument, "All seeing, All knowing, All powerful, and All loving", does not work for any of the three religions. If these claimed three god claims have "a plan", you defy your trust in his plan by asking for help, if you trust this claimed being knows what he is doing, then you shouldn't have to ask for help or act as his salesman or public relations department. By selling your book and god, and by praying, you are admitting without realizing it, that you don't believe he can do the job without your help.

"free will" is a cop out argument. It does not work when Christians or Muslims or Jews do it. This isn't a fallible mere mortal according to any of these religions. This is someone according to them, that has the absolute power to prevent harm to all humans all the time if it wanted to. Are you going to be stupid and try to claim that an "all powerful" and "all loving god" would sit and watch year after year and watch 50 million humans die worldwide every year? That is the average number of deaths worldwide in every nation, dying from everything humans can die from, young, teen, young adult, middle age and old. They die in childbirth, childhood disease, and every age can and does die from disease, famine, natural disaster, accident, crime and war. 

50 million a year worldwide. That is half a billion deaths in a decade, and 1 billion every 20 years. You have the nerve to tell me 1 billion people all of them deserved it, or that this is all part of a perfect plan? I was born at night, just not last night.

One thing u have to try to understand is, we all as creatures have to die. There is no way around it. Now I'm not sure how all other religions view this but in Islam we believe ur fate is sealed. What I mean by this is whenever we die that is where and when we are supposed to die. There is no " I was just at the wrong place at the wrong time". There is a story told about a man who fell off of a building and a strong wind blew him back after falling some floors. The man then left the building went outside and while crossing the street was hit by a bus and killed. Point of the story is the man was not supposed to die from falling from the building, but supposed to die at the exact point and time he was hit by the bus. Yes death is a tough issue to deal with, but as Allah says in the Qur'an He made it a commonality between us as humans. So Allah knows exactly when and where we are going to die. We don't. So possibly Allah tests us with death. For instance a man dies from a religious family who loved him so much. After he died is the family going to accept Allah's will and still be religious and have faith, or are they gonna give up their faith because Allah took the life of the best person they loved so much? Or another example. A man plans on robbing someone at gunpoint. Now the person he is robbing is going to die after the robbery, whether he is shot or not. Allah knows this but the robber doesn't. So Is this man going to continue with the robbery which could take this innocent person's life by shooting them or is he going to back off, forget about doing wrong, avoid the robbery and let that person die naturally by the will of Allah? Or a drunk driver kills a person crossing the street. Now of course Allah knew that person was gonna die then but the driver didn't. So possibly they were being tested, on drinking, and ended up taking someones life. There could be an entire dictionary full of scenarios we could list. So we as humans do not know how we're to be tested by Allah, by ourselves or amongst each other. We do know we all as humans will die. But we don't know what plan or situation Allah has for us. That's why we should always try to do what's right. Because we never know if we are gonna be that driver or if we are gonna be the one crossing the street. In either case u don't want to have previously done something that u shouldn't have done, and not been forgiven for.

[Sheed1980]

Yes Allah is All Knowing, Wise. But we aren't. We don't know what is going to happen to us. Or how it's going to happen. But with Allah's mercy He gives us free will to live our lives as we wish. By Him being All Knowing He knows we can't do an atom's weight of anything against His will. So He tells us He accepts prayer and answers prayer, accepts sincere repentance (except dying in the state of unbelief and shirk). So will we have faith in Him as our Lord and creator and seek His knowledge, forgiveness and guidance? Also He being The Most Merciful, He expiates sins from His believing servants for any hardships(non intentionally)we go through. Sickness, sadness, pain, struggle, u name it. The Prophet Muhammad pbuh said " if a Muslim feels so much as the prick of a thorn Allah expiates some of his sins". The Prophet Muhammad pbuh also said"A Muslim loses their sins like a tree loses its leaves". So Allah tests us to see if we will seek His forgiveness, help, and guidance, or will we be arrogant, and try doing it ourselves without His help which absolutely will not happen. And to answer ur question about the cancer.  There are things that Allah does that go beyond our understanding. Because all of us as humans commit sins, and since cancer is a type of hardship Allah may possibly use it as a purgation or cleansing of sins from our souls in this life and out of His mercy, prevents us from the punishment of hellfire in the Hereafter. We have to always remember. We have plans and Allah has plans, and Allah is the best of planners.

Mo' was no prophet my friend, he was a liar, a charlatan, a war monger, thief and all round, general cuntbag.

You've been had son, it's a con, wake the fuck up.

To u be ur way o belief and to be m mine

[Brian37]

Brian37

The big bang is a theory, not a scientific law. But it does align with scripture(let there be light).
The rest of the formation of the earth you have is also similar to how it is described in scripture, given it's translated from a completely different style of language.

As far as the age of existence that lead to what we have now; 6 billion years sounds bout right. Of course time isn't a constant and most likely progressed differently close to rapid expansion.

I'm not stuck on pretty. Death is part of life, as is suffering, at this time.

It can even be said that natural disasters, deseases, viruses, cancers, and other pain and suffering not only is so we might learn, but could be pretty much wholly avoidable if we would have adhered to the life giving direction of the One Creator GOD long ago. Still the greed of man plagues all.

Tell you what! Explain to me why the scientific laws are the way they are, and not some other way.

Oh yeah; a black hole is potential on a nearly infinite scale. Pretty telling.

There is also chaos(potential) in each of us.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

No, "Theory" in science doesn't mean a "mere guess", in science "Theory" is backed up by repeated testing and observations. And don't pull a bait and switch on me trying to bring the word "law" into this. BOTH "Theory" and "law" are not the laypersons meanings theists like to twist them to mean.

Now again, I really don't give one shit what you try to debunk, if you think you are the only fan of the only "true label" of a religion who tries to pull this crap, you are wasting your time. ALL religions pull this crap. Muslims, and Jews and Hindus and others. When they cant debunk science they end up trying to co opt it to claim it matches their holy writings and their religion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

QUOTE THEORY: "A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmedthrough observation and experimentation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_law

QUOTE LAW "Laws differ from  in that they do not posit a mechanism or explanation of phenomena: they are merely distillations of the results of repeated observation. As such, a law is limited in applicability to circumstances resembling those already observed, and may be found false when extrapolated."

What they DO have in common is this.

QUOTE LAW,"A scientific law is a statement based on repeated experimental observations that describes some aspects of the universe. 

BOTH ARE STILL based on repeated collection of data, repeated observation and testing and falsification and peer review.

Nobody's god of the gaps, not yours, not any, are based on scientific method. They are merely the products of human's imaginations.

[Brian37]

Please try getting this through your head. EVERY religion argues the same thing. 

"Allah Is all Knowing"
"The God of Jesus is All Knowing"
"Yahweh of The Jews is ALL Knowing"

"But with Allah's mercy"
"But with Jesus's mercy"
"But with Yahweh's mercy"

"Allah has plans"
"Jesus has plans"
"Yahweh has plans"

And so what. Humans invent god claims. It was understandable back then when humans didn't know any better. Islam is a spin off of Christianity. Christianity is a spin off of Hebrew/Jewish. Hebrew/Jewish is a spin off of Canaanite polytheism. It is all made up, there never was a god.

Now again, what fails with the "Omni=All" argument, "All seeing, All knowing, All powerful, and All loving", does not work for any of the three religions. If these claimed three god claims have "a plan", you defy your trust in his plan by asking for help, if you trust this claimed being knows what he is doing, then you shouldn't have to ask for help or act as his salesman or public relations department. By selling your book and god, and by praying, you are admitting without realizing it, that you don't believe he can do the job without your help.

"free will" is a cop out argument. It does not work when Christians or Muslims or Jews do it. This isn't a fallible mere mortal according to any of these religions. This is someone according to them, that has the absolute power to prevent harm to all humans all the time if it wanted to. Are you going to be stupid and try to claim that an "all powerful" and "all loving god" would sit and watch year after year and watch 50 million humans die worldwide every year? That is the average number of deaths worldwide in every nation, dying from everything humans can die from, young, teen, young adult, middle age and old. They die in childbirth, childhood disease, and every age can and does die from disease, famine, natural disaster, accident, crime and war. 

50 million a year worldwide. That is half a billion deaths in a decade, and 1 billion every 20 years. You have the nerve to tell me 1 billion people all of them deserved it, or that this is all part of a perfect plan? I was born at night, just not last night.

One thing u have to try to understand is, we all as creatures have to die. There is no way around it. Now I'm not sure how all other religions view this but in Islam we believe ur fate is sealed. What I mean by this is whenever we die that is where and when we are supposed to die. There is no " I was just at the wrong place at the wrong time". There is a story told about a man who fell off of a building and a strong wind blew him back after falling some floors. The man then left the building went outside and while crossing the street was hit by a bus and killed. Point of the story is the man was not supposed to die from falling from the building, but supposed to die at the exact point and time he was hit by the bus. Yes death is a tough issue to deal with, but as Allah says in the Qur'an He made it a commonality between us as humans. So Allah knows exactly when and where we are going to die. We don't. So possibly Allah tests us with death. For instance a man dies from a religious family who loved him so much. After he died is the family going to accept Allah's will and still be religious and have faith, or are they gonna give up their faith because Allah took the life of the best person they loved so much? Or another example. A man plans on robbing someone at gunpoint. Now the person he is robbing is going to die after the robbery, whether he is shot or not. Allah knows this but the robber doesn't. So Is this man going to continue with the robbery which could take this innocent person's life by shooting them or is he going to back off, forget about doing wrong, avoid the robbery and let that person die naturally by the will of Allah? Or a drunk driver kills a person crossing the street. Now of course Allah knew that person was gonna die then but the driver didn't. So possibly they were being tested, on drinking, and ended up taking someones life. There could be an entire dictionary full of scenarios we could list. So we as humans do not know how we're to be tested by Allah, by ourselves or amongst each other. We do know we all as humans will die. But we don't know what plan or situation Allah has for us. That's why we should always try to do what's right. Because we never know if we are gonna be that driver or if we are gonna be the one crossing the street. In either case u don't want to have previously done something that u shouldn't have done, and not been forgiven for.

First off, at a minimum, please try to break up your giant wall of text, it makes it easier for people to read.

Secondly we do not need to go past the first sentence.

QUOTE YOU "One thing u have to try to understand is, we all as creatures have to die. There is no way around it"

No kidding, and I absolutely agree. Everyone dies. But so do cockroaches and bacteria and snakes and insects and plants and fish, and your pets and alligators, all life dies. Do you fear the pre life of a cockroach? Do you fear the afterlife of a jellyfish? 

Yes humans die, and so does all life. So? What you are doing is falling for an appeal to emotion. Bad shit happens so fear it. Why? Nobody likes having bad things happen to them, but they do. That doesn't mean there is a magical sky hero battling a magical ground arch rival of the sky hero battling over the neurons in your brain.

Bad shit happens? Yep, but lots of good things happen too. But there no god of the gaps answer needed to explain either good or bad.

[Sheed1980]

My conclusion about Thor -that he doesn't exist- is coming from the bold red underlines that I put under Norse mythology. The story of creation and the story of the Norse idols  -just like Greek mythology- are just full of gaps & contradictions.

Yes, others may claim that their idols the the real deal, but it all comes down to what the deity had to present. If the religion is contradicting to itself from the inside, then that's how we know it's false.

In order for science to be accurate, it must be materialistic to the core. Science discuss the method of creation; faith and belief just make your head hardwired like that : and actually, it can't be disproved unless somebody travel back in time, and see how the universe began. 

For your question : I can't trust the origin of the thought either -existence of God-. Did humanity create it, or was it a reality, that got twisted in many places to produce hundreds of different religions ?

The latter brother.

Be giving and selfless in all you do with mercy and humility. Be strong in what you know on an innermost level through the selfless conscience. The weighty things placed on your heart that motivate/shame/ teach you through honest introspection and selfless direction by the will of GOD are placed there by the Holy Spirit for the sake of all, and resides dormant/ asleep in most.

God formed everything. All is of IT to some degree. Core scriptures; Qur'an, Torah, New Covenant, Bhagavad Gita, Book of Enoch, the writings of the church fathers, (look towards the Druze, who suffer now, in this day), the writings of the Bahia Faith.

There is a creative force that made the actual observable laws that all of physical existence and spiritual adheres to without waver by God's will. We are the ones being tested, for our sake and the sake of existence. The hell that we exhibit here on earth will end as sin is ended. Most will tell you it will be horrid and violent.

I say, by God's will and mercy, and our full Faith in our direction of God, we can end greed(sin)as a whole and look to universal prosperity that can't even fully be contemplated at this time.

One Creator GOD is obvious and evident to any who truly look with their heart and soul. As is the very direction of life.

Once people actually start to realize the peaceful unity that is possible through the simple, unadulterated core scriptures of the faithful unto GOD, then we might be able to see the potential through the direction of all given by GOD.

People may say peace can be achieved on a personal level without God. This in itself is greed as it exudes no desire to want to benefit existence as a whole, and rather focus on an individual bubble. It is faulty in doing such. What worth is one momentary life, if not to the benefit and help the advancement of peaceable life as a whole for all, equally and exponentially in comparison to ones own selfish gratifications.

Thanks is to GOD with humility and praise.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

U hold and make some very valid points my friend. I won't agree with everything you say here but however I do agree with ur overall statement. We need God in our lives to succeed. In Islam we are taught that any who God chooses to guide, none can lead them astray. Just as well any whom God leaves to stray, none can guide them. So I wish u the best my friend. May Allah (God) guide to His straight path and never let you go?

[Expired]

The latter brother.

Be giving and selfless in all you do with mercy and humility. Be strong in what you know on an innermost level through the selfless conscience. The weighty things placed on your heart that motivate/shame/ teach you through honest introspection and selfless direction by the will of GOD are placed there by the Holy Spirit for the sake of all, and resides dormant/ asleep in most.

God formed everything. All is of IT to some degree. Core scriptures; Qur'an, Torah, New Covenant, Bhagavad Gita, Book of Enoch, the writings of the church fathers, (look towards the Druze, who suffer now, in this day), the writings of the Bahia Faith.

There is a creative force that made the actual observable laws that all of physical existence and spiritual adheres to without waver by God's will. We are the ones being tested, for our sake and the sake of existence. The hell that we exhibit here on earth will end as sin is ended. Most will tell you it will be horrid and violent.

I say, by God's will and mercy, and our full Faith in our direction of God, we can end greed(sin)as a whole and look to universal prosperity that can't even fully be contemplated at this time.

One Creator GOD is obvious and evident to any who truly look with their heart and soul. As is the very direction of life.

Once people actually start to realize the peaceful unity that is possible through the simple, unadulterated core scriptures of the faithful unto GOD, then we might be able to see the potential through the direction of all given by GOD.

People may say peace can be achieved on a personal level without God. This in itself is greed as it exudes no desire to want to benefit existence as a whole, and rather focus on an individual bubble. It is faulty in doing such. What worth is one momentary life, if not to the benefit and help the advancement of peaceable life as a whole for all, equally and exponentially in comparison to ones own selfish gratifications.

Thanks is to GOD with humility and praise.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

U hold and make some very valid points my friend. I won't agree with everything you say here but however I do agree with ur overall statement. We need God in our lives to succeed. In Islam we are taught that any who God chooses to guide, none can lead them astray. Just as well any whom God leaves to stray, none can guide them. So I wish u the best my friend. May Allah (God) guide to His straight path and never let you go?

Ludicrous.

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I manage just fine calling "god" an incompetent immoral idiot, should he exist and match any of the popular descriptions, and living my own life.

If "god" still gives me what I need after this, then clearly religion is superfluous, and "god" is nothing more than an unnecessary assumption. You may as well say we need universe pixies or else we'd all disappear.

I think it's much more likely that "god", if there is one, is nothing like you imagine and will be very mundane indeed. Not much more intelligent than us if at all, and not particularly powerful in his own reality. I don't think he would even know we are self aware. The unknown just tends to get blown out of proportion.