Ammon Bundy, six others arrested

[CapnAwesome]

Well it's nice to see that we've learned absolutely nothing from history. If people are concerned about the rise of right wing militant groups in the US, the last thing you should want is for the government to have gone in like Yahoos and shot a man to death. In the 90's, the last time these groups were very active, it was the result of deadly government raids that ended in the death of people. Rather then discourage them, it sets martyrs them and rallies more, stranger and more dangerous people to their ranks.

Tim McVey said that Ruby Ridge and Waco directly inspired his actions. Here we see the same thing repeating again. It wasn't until Oklamhoma city that we saw a massive withdrawal in the popularity and support of these groups. Now do we have to wait for another Oklahoma city? This just creates more wackos, not less and was the wrong thing to do. These guys were getting booed at public forums, people were against them, and they could easily have just been waited out, they weren't anywhere important, just a remote park in a remote part of Oregon. Instead the government goes in guns blazing and restarts a problem that we shouldn't have. You guys celebrating is short sited.

Lol. So "I didn't read anything about it, and I don't really know what happened at all, but I sure have an opinion about it!!"

You're voting for Trump, right?

Jesus, I give up on you guys. In the threads about this you guys have celebrated the police shooting someone to death, wanted to expand the definition of terrorism to people who haven't committed any violence and now proclaimed a concise history of right wing violence and what happened in the 90s (and is repeating again) as ignorance. Honestly, get some values and make them consistent. You guys understand that I am making the liberal argument and a pragmatic argument that'll reduce the number of right wing wackos. You guys are arguing for a frightening police state and making more of these guys.

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Lol. So "I didn't read anything about it, and I don't really know what happened at all, but I sure have an opinion about it!!"

You're voting for Trump, right?

Jesus, I give up on you guys. In the threads about this you guys have celebrated the police shooting someone to death, wanted to expand the definition of terrorism to people who haven't committed any violence and now proclaimed a concise history of right wing violence and what happened in the 90s (and is repeating again) as ignorance. Honestly, get some values and make them consistent.

But hey you refuse to admit you're wrong. You didn't read anything about this, evidently.

[CapnAwesome]

I expect them to wait them out, like reasonable people who learn from their mistakes. You think they are going to stay there forever? They went in knowing that it would likely end in violence and sure enough it did. Now we have a ready martyr to rally more of them, exactly what right wing groups want. It also pretty much ends any negotiation possible with the remaining people who are stilled holed up out there, reinforces their belief that the government is out to get them and makes further armed conflict more likely. Again, all this already happened in the 90s. So good job there. If I were you guys I wouldn't be celebrating giving these groups exactly what they wanted.

Thank fuck you aren't head of any law enforcement agency.

Yeah, the police are fuckers, If I were head of one I'd fire 90% of them and then resign. What's amazing is a thread on Atheist forums celebrating the police shooting someone to death. I'm always against that, unlike you guys apparently.

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Thank fuck you aren't head of any law enforcement agency.

Yeah, the police are fuckers, If I were head of one I'd fire 90% of them and then resign. What's amazing is a thread on Atheist forums celebrating the police shooting someone to death. I'm always against that, unlike you guys apparently.

Who celebrated anything? All I said was he pulled a gun, what do you expect cops to do? Now you're just putting words in my mouth (can't speak for the others here, but they've probably had enough of it too.)

[CapnAwesome]

Well it's nice to see that we've learned absolutely nothing from history. If people are concerned about the rise of right wing militant groups in the US, the last thing you should want is for the government to have gone in like Yahoos and shot a man to death. In the 90's, the last time these groups were very active, it was the result of deadly government raids that ended in the death of people. Rather then discourage them, it sets martyrs them and rallies more, stranger and more dangerous people to their ranks.

Tim McVey said that Ruby Ridge and Waco directly inspired his actions. Here we see the same thing repeating again. It wasn't until Oklamhoma city that we saw a massive withdrawal in the popularity and support of these groups. Now do we have to wait for another Oklahoma city? This just creates more wackos, not less and was the wrong thing to do. These guys were getting booed at public forums, people were against them, and they could easily have just been waited out, they weren't anywhere important, just a remote park in a remote part of Oregon. Instead the government goes in guns blazing and restarts a problem that we shouldn't have. You guys celebrating is short sited.

What do you mean "went in"?  They stopped two cars and arrested six people including the leaders.  One man pulled a gun and was shot. Bundy has since made a statement through his lawyer telling the rest of the occupiers to go home.

It's nice when people ignore all the rest of my post to focus on a went in, okay they sprang a trap, now I'd like any of you to respond to how this will just make more of these guys, exactly like it did before.

[CapnAwesome]

Yeah, the police are fuckers, If I were head of one I'd fire 90% of them and then resign. What's amazing is a thread on Atheist forums celebrating the police shooting someone to death. I'm always against that, unlike you guys apparently.

Who celebrated anything? All I said was he pulled a gun, what do you expect cops to do? Now you're just putting words in my mouth (can't speak for the others here, but they've probably had enough of it too.)

Had enough of it?? Were you planning on going to a remote wildlife refuge in the middle of winter?? Give me a break.

[CapnAwesome]

Yeah, the police are fuckers, If I were head of one I'd fire 90% of them and then resign. What's amazing is a thread on Atheist forums celebrating the police shooting someone to death. I'm always against that, unlike you guys apparently.

Who celebrated anything? All I said was he pulled a gun, what do you expect cops to do? Now you're just putting words in my mouth (can't speak for the others here, but they've probably had enough of it too.)

Well it's nice to see when you suddenly trust the police's version of events. As to who celebrated, did you not read the thread?

Alright!

FBI - 1
Hooligans - 0

But like the other two, he too was a cunt.

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Who celebrated anything? All I said was he pulled a gun, what do you expect cops to do? Now you're just putting words in my mouth (can't speak for the others here, but they've probably had enough of it too.)

Had enough of it?? Were you planning on going to a remote wildlife refuge in the middle of winter?? Give me a break.

By the had enough of it, I meant you putting words in other peoples mouths.

[Thumpalumpacus]

[...] wanted to expand the definition of terrorism to people who haven't committed any violence [...]

A bullshit claim. Look up the definition of terrorism here. Look up the definition of violence here -- specifically, 1.2 in that link.

[CapnAwesome]

Had enough of it?? Were you planning on going to a remote wildlife refuge in the middle of winter?? Give me a break.

By the had enough of it, I meant you putting words in other peoples mouths.

Except that people did celebrate on the first page, and on an earlier thread people literally called for the police to storm in and shoot everyone. I'm not putting words in anybodies mouths. What I'm shocked at is the total inconsistency in peoples values. I've seen the same people decry police brutality and overreaction, and then the very same people want the police to go in and kill people when those people are right wing. My morals are not so flexible, plus if you want less right wing radicals in this country going in (or stopping a car for the people who would like to nitpick two words rather then reply to a point) and shooting people is not the way to go.