Interracial Marriage and the Bible

[Nihilist Virus]

I believe the creation account happened Exactly as indicated in Genesis. The only thing that differs between what I believe and a YEC is that I believe the creation account describes what happened in the garden (as per the start of Genesis 2) and I do not put an artificial time line on the events between the 7th day of creation and the fall of man.

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So what do I believe about creation? That God's creation account, envelops anything 'science' wants to bring to the table.
That the creation account and evolution are not two mutually exclusive items one has to pick either or. One can believe in a literal 7 day creation and at the same time believe in what ever 'monkey business' science wants to march out this week.

Earth to retard. Come in, retard. We have breaking news. The Genesis myth is not compatible with Big Bang cosmology or evolution. Birds did not precede land animals.

[Godscreated]

You said it, can't you even remember what you wrote, it's no wonder we can't have a decent conversations. Your above reply is wrong as usual, why do you even try.

 
Really, you must not know much about the Baptist, actually you know little to nothing about Christian worship, it's very apparent in your reply.

GC

I have never said on these forums that the Bible was written by goat herders.  You have me mixed up with another atheist. This is forgivable because I often mix up who says what on Christianforums.com, but you aren't entirely off the hook because you need to explain why we should care about the proposed system of morality and/or propsed method of atonement that these racist, sexist, conquesting, genocidal, slave-driving rapists came up with.

They are none of those and they didn't come up with anything, God brought salvation to all mankind through the Israelites.

GC

[Drich]

What race am I? what is my back ground?

Your race is irrelevant.

Which is precisely the fucking point.

This is got to be the single most moronic thing I have seen written ever.

You open with the fact you have a mix race niece giving you some point of expertise/allowing to feel you have any weight or your family allows you authority to present your 'feelings' as a valid point in the conversation... then when when your ranking or authority is challenged you claim that race has nothing to do with your conversation at all.

Please tell you are really this stupid in real life, that way I can have the comfort of knowing that you will never be in a position to poison anyone outside your family with your ignorance.

[Jenny A]

Oh I think Dritch is telling the truth about both his ethnicity and his experience of it. And in the very few U.S. studies considering the issue, multiracial children have a harder time of it. Hawaii is the great exception. And obviously it's not crippling have a multiracial president. Somehow he made it.

But, we don't prohibit people from having children just because they're children will have a harder time of it. Some other examples of kids who have a harder time of it: hearing children born to deaf parents; the children of first generation immigrants; children whose parents' genes carry known genetic defects; children born to retarded parents; children born in the inner city; children born in impoverished rural areas; children of racial minorites; children whose first language is not the locally prevalent language; children who's parents are drug addicted; children who's parents are poor; child who's parents belong to a cult; low cast children; children who's paternal grandparents make significantly less than their maternal grandparents; black children in predominately white countries; children who's parents follow mutually exclusive religions. I could go on and on and on. Dritch isn't specially deptived, just an extreme reaction to one of the many hurdles humans face. Just by being born in a first world country, he's ahead of much of humanity.

Dritch, which would you prefer: not being born at all; being born in Ethiopia of Ethiopian parents; being born of Korean parents in the U.S.; being born of a low status in India. Would you prohibit any of the previous marriages and if not, why not.

[Drich]

Yeah, I'm not quite buying this idea that Drich's experience is the norm, at least in this country. My adopted French/Vietnamese cousin has never reported to me that she experienced special anguish at her "selfish" parents not adequately preparing her for the world, despite their being ill-equipped by racial/ethnic background to teach her all she may have wanted to know about her Vietnamese heritage. For that matter, my Korean wife and her Korean sister (not blood relatives but sisters through adoption) have never mentioned to me any sense of being deprived of their heritage or sense of belonging despite being raised in a white American home where the father was a secular Jew and the mother a practicing Protestant. In fact, my wife moves with ease between several different "communities" of people. I have a mixed race nephew (Korean/African-American) who doesn't suffer unduly; indeed, he seems to be one of the most popular kids in his class and has friends from a variety of backgrounds. The same is true of a niece from a previous marriage (white/African-American) who was similarly popular with her peers and at ease with both sides of her family. Then there's my gay cousin, his husband, and their adopted daughter. She's a bit young to give me an "informed opinion" on the matter, but I'll be sure to get back to you, Drich, if it turns out she would rather have been bounced around some foster homes or adopted by someone other than the only fathers she has ever known and who love her fiercely.

I'm sorry you had a rough go of it, Drich. But yours isn't the only experience that's relevant here. Just because you were surrounded by assholes doesn't mean everyone out there is an asshole.

Holy crap dude your not even comparing apples and oranges.

Nothing you listed or provided here outlines what it is I have described in pain staking detail. It's like you just globbed down absolutely Everything concerning your family and race and said see, no problem. Every one of your examples speaks of an assimilated/westernized asian mix. you wife is 100% korean and can move between cultures. But like it or not you take your little nephew to korea and I promise you he will be treated like a circus freak. They don't like when white people mix in, because it put a 'stain' on the whole house/Fathers honor. Black children put dishonor on the family name as a whole. Again, that is why I am saying you are not comparing apples and oranges. You are demonstrating how your particular family works how your community works. I am pointing to how the world works.

There are two halves to how a biracial child life works. you are only comparing one side. Which again is fine if say your nephew stays with in the confines of his family and current community. If however he is made to integrate and deall with both sides of his heritage his outlook would change would it not?

How could it not? you go from coolest guy in school to being hated.

If and when you are ready to look outside your little view of the world, know this subject has been extensivly studied. Here are 3 random points of reference that support a great deal of what i have already said.

Read the sections concerning psychotherapy with a biracial child. This outlines all the major concerns dealing with loss of identity and problems with social interactions with people of a given race.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2695719/

Next is a Harvard educational review of a book that outlines and address the missing racial identity. and is suggested as a "must read for people with biracial children"
http://hepg.org/her-home/issues/harvard-...hildren_15

This Next link outlines in detail what i have already said the role of the parent should be in helping a biracial child to develop properly:
http://www.aacap.org/AACAP/Families_and_...n-071.aspx
That's from the American Academy of Children and Adolescent Psychiatry. Again putting the onus of the child's development on the parents. It even specifically suggests a complete exploration of both racial componets to aid in and the development of the child's identity.

Again this is a legitimate problem many many biracial people face. Shame on you for trying to minimize it and play it off as if it were all in my head. Truthfully what do you have to gain from trying to silencing someone who is trying to bring attention to a real problem a very small minority of the people experience? Or did you not even do a simple google search before you open your big mouth?

Is it really so important for you to be right and feel secure/justified in the life you live that you can't take the time and seriously examine what the people in your own family feel on anything deeper than they typical surface check you may do? Again understand I am speaking directly about bi-racial children who do not look like the belong to one race or the other. Not people belonging to one race being adopted or have been assimilated into this culture. I am speaking of people out side of your race who marry people of a different race and culture. Marrying a 4th generation Asian is NOT the same as having a kid with one who is fresh of the boat.

[Drich]

I believe the creation account happened Exactly as indicated in Genesis. The only thing that differs between what I believe and a YEC is that I believe the creation account describes what happened in the garden (as per the start of Genesis 2) and I do not put an artificial time line on the events between the 7th day of creation and the fall of man.

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So what do I believe about creation? That God's creation account, envelops anything 'science' wants to bring to the table.
That the creation account and evolution are not two mutually exclusive items one has to pick either or. One can believe in a literal 7 day creation and at the same time believe in what ever 'monkey business' science wants to march out this week.

Earth to retard.  Come in, retard.  We have breaking news.  The Genesis myth is not compatible with Big Bang cosmology or evolution.  Birds did not precede land animals.

Read what I wrote again, and wipe the egg off your face. you look stupid.

[Drich]

Oh I think Dritch is telling the truth about both his ethnicity and his experience of it.  And in the very few U.S. studies considering the issue,  multiracial children have a harder time of it.  Hawaii is the great exception.  And obviously it's not crippling have a multiracial president.  Somehow he made it.

But, we don't prohibit people from having children just because they're children will have a harder time of it. Some other examples of kids who have a harder time of it: hearing children born to deaf parents; the children of first generation immigrants; children whose parents' genes carry known genetic defects; children born to retarded parents; children born in the inner city; children born in impoverished rural areas; children of racial  minorites;  children whose first language is not the locally prevalent language;  children who's parents are drug addicted; children who's parents are poor; child who's parents belong to a cult; low cast children; children who's paternal grandparents make significantly less than their maternal grandparents; black children in predominately white countries; children who's parents follow mutually  exclusive religions.   I  could go on and on and on. Dritch isn't specially deptived, just an extreme reaction to one of the many hurdles humans face.  Just by being  born in a first world country,  he's ahead of much of humanity.

Dritch, which would you prefer: not being  born at all; being  born in  Ethiopia of Ethiopian parents; being born of Korean parents in the U.S.;  being born of a low status in India.  Would you prohibit any of the previous marriages and if not, why not.

wow how my words get twisted...

I simply said "I am not a fan..."

I also pointed out that most interracial couples are selfish... Then I later explain that selfishness will most likely destroy the relationship and make the child's life harder to live. then i go one to explain how... Post 36 then in the last post I back my Facts up with actual links to studies.

You people see me as "the bad guy" and automatically assume the worst just because i do not agree with your world view, I take the polar opposite position...

Here's a thought... MAYBE your world view is skewed just enough that it is wrong, but at the same time not wrong enough that the opposite is true. Maybe the truth can be found somewhere between what you currently believe and the total oppsite of what you believe.

Brokenquil92 is a perfect example of this. She thought/assumed my position was the polar oppsite of her own. as did a few of you because you kudeo-ed her comment. Yet her our pouring and emotional appeal was a perfect representation of what it was I myself have spent so much time describing. Again, you all do not read what it is I am saying. you are doing word searches in my posts looking for key words, so you can build an approximation or build a typical 'bad guy' arguement/straw man then you attack it rather than deal with the truths I am presenting.

Again I never once demanded a prohibition on interracial couples, marriages or any infringement on having children. Yet your post reflects the idea that I have. Again I said I am not a fan of interracial couples then listed why. then pointed to a ton of extra work that goes into biracial children, something that 'selfish people' don't generally get around to.'

[Drich]

What did I loose exactly?

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I am still the product of an interracial marriage, I still have the same problems and advantages I came into this discussion with, and I've shown that your and divinity's world view to be beyond naive.

I maintain that interracial couples tend to be selfish, and if they were and were even 1/2 prepared to undertake what they have put themselves and their children through they would not give two squirts about the title 'selfish.' How do I know this? because again not only was I an interracial child, I am in an interracial relationship..

So again, what did I lose exactly? Oh, you mean I lost you. You do not fully understand what is being discussed here. that you can only view the world as being 100% 'tolerant' in your personal strictest definition of the word or you get to be intolerant and nasty as you want to be, because what i say confuses you, and it is contrary to how you think the world work even though one of your peers confirmed everything I have said here so far drawing from her own life experience.

What my words do here is draw attention to a foundational crack in a sensitive area of society that people like you think it is not right to judge, or talk about, or even discuss in a non favorable way.. and what's worse is your either too stupid or too proud to admit that their is a very real problem that supports the facade you pretend is reality. I have posted example after example of people of mixed races struggling in society, because they do not belong to one race or the other. and you simply hold to your idea of what society should be, and some how you count this as a win???

If burring your head in the sand is a 'win' in your broken world.. then know I will always be happy to be counted as a loser to you and people like you.

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You lose your argument because of the chronic, debilitating tendency to regard your personal opinions and feelings, as incontestable FACTS; Just as you have in the bulk of your arguments on these forums.

your still newish, but you will quickly learn what i post here may lack the dressing and presentation of some of the other members, however their is not a point of fact that rarly isn't back by three separate points of reference. If ever you doubt what I say simply ask for a citation or reference. Some of the more experienced members will simply cut and past the in question statement and just type one word "citation?" If I know their request to be sincere I will post my research. research that goes into Every single thread.

Now for this one I posted one reference link to supports each one of my major facts/assertions. Just one or two posts above this one. (Crossless1 response)

[Drich]

I'm sorry you had a rough go of it, Drich. But yours isn't the only experience that's relevant here. Just because you were surrounded by assholes doesn't mean everyone out there is an asshole.

Multiracial parents aren't the problem.  Racist fucks are the problem.  That it was beat into your head that it's your fault for your supposed experience growing up, I'm truly sorry.  I feel sorry for you growing up with those ideas.  That somehow it's your fault, or your parents fault that there are racist assholes out there.  But it's not your fault.  It's not the fault of your parents, no matter how much you'd like for it to be.  Your idea of what's 'right' for society is sick and twisted.  I suggest you seek help.

Given dripshit's propensity to lie in other areas, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he's lying here.

where have I lied before? what do you  think I have to gain about lying about my biracial back ground?

Granted I use to lie about being all white to try and save myself from a beating or two, but apparently my eyes weren't quite round enough to pull that one off.

side note: most Latinos think I am Mexican or something because if and when I goto miami everyone just leads with Spanish.

[The Valkyrie]

Interracial marriage?

No! Think of where it will lead.

Interspecies "marriage". Then people marrying robots and computers.

Holograms and then themselves and their own clones.

Then civilisation will fall!

/sarcasm.